I did read. You stay on your (imo wrong) track. Do as you like.
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I'm seeing a whole lot of hate in this thread. I have no idea why you saw the need to make a knee-jerk link between ADHD and race, but I'm guessing it's because both make you uncomfortable. Disadvantages exist in this world. If someone calls attention to them, they are not playing a "card". Some people love, love to believe that they got where they are by working hard, and that people from group x didn't work as hard, because they "just want to play the race card". How people come to this conclusion? I have no idea. It's grade-a oppression olympics stuff.
It IS racist to imply (as you so weasel-ishly did up there) that people who call attention to race/racism are simply "playing a race card". The whole idea of a "race card" is preposterous if you ask me. I'd like to see one example of someone playing a "race card" to "get ahead" or "get special treatment" that isn't simply cribbed from some ghastly racist email forward or Facebook post. Paranoid hateful stuff.
I'm sorry that the poster of this thread got a whole lot of intolerance in response to an honest question about ADHD. The fact that this disease might be a hangover from earlier humans/other hypothesis does nothing to negate the fact that it is a real neurobiological condition which has an impact on your life. It's easy to sit behind a screen and go on and on about how kids "just need discipline" or whatever, but I bet your words would die on your tongue if you actually experienced what it is like to have a brain with this condition. The main direction of the dumblogic here seems to be that people are "making this up". For what reason? Again, it's just really hateful stuff. Why all the hate? Why not take what this guy has to say with a grain of salt and imagine how hard it is to play chess when your brain feels like two radio stations going at once?
kleelof wrote:
ponz111 wrote:
I wonder if ADHD and restless leg syndrome are somewhat correlated?
I'm not sure if you are being funny or not. But in case of 'not'; these 2 things are not realted.
Restless legs syndrome is a neurological disorder having to do with the nervous system.
'ADHD' is a neurodevelopment psychiatric disorder that, if it exists, originates in the brain.
No need to be such a prig, Kleelof. I get that you have a degree but that doesn't mean you have to stop, you know, learning. Classic example of how a little bit of learning-by-rote can just put a sheen on ignorance.
Several studies have demonstrated that there is a possible link between the two, but more research is needed, ie an epidemiological study. scientists have been talking about a common cause for the two conditions for years. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16218085 It's a very interesting topic. Why you think making a distinction between "neurodevelopment" and "neurological disorder" would prove that the two are unrelated is beyond me.
There was some interesting discussion here, too. I read some research the other day -- researchers in Sweden, I think, treated children diagnosed with ADHD with a combination of chess and medication. The group who were doing chess puzzles/playing chess had a massive improvement in symptoms.
Jul 9, 2015
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If I were to have an attention deficit disorder, I'd only play bullet.
DamonevicSmithlov wrote:
Look dude, your race card comment was racist. And I do believe in free speech. You sound like a brainwashed ditto head. Stop and think for yourself. Don't let others dictate what you should be thinking. A man who suffers from ADHD used this forum to ask if ritalin type drugs are banned in USCF chess tournaments. The correct answer is yes they are. You did not know the answer. Instead you went on this idiotic rampage about how "some people" use the race card, and are oppressors of free speech, and are brainwashed to pretend they are victims in some way along racial lines, that these same people are themselves racists because they bring up race to silence others etc etc. Dude! What the hell's eating you?
I was simply pointing out how some in the world are brainwashed to pretent they're victims in some way along racial lines & attempt to suppress & oppress others free speech by bringing up race (particularly in the U.S.) because in fact they themselves are the racists that's why they bring up race in an effort to silence others. Does that make sense?
Edit: Checkmate.
isayoldboy wrote:
No need to be such a prig, Kleelof. I get that you have a degree but that doesn't mean you have to stop, you know, learning. Classic example of how a little bit of learning-by-rote can just put a sheen on ignorance.
Actually the things I said are NOT what I learned in school. When I was in school, ADHD was still being stricly treated as a disorder that was 'managed' with medication.
If you take some time to research the current appraisals of ADD, ADHD, depression and bi-polar diagnosis, you will see that, as I said above, more and more doctors and psychologists are beginning to understand that these things are being mislabeled, mis-treated and greatly misunderstood.
It's fine if you don't believe/understand what I'm talking about. I'm certain that at some point in the near future, they will restructure the classifications of these 'disorders' and those names and stigmas will no longer exist.
kleelof wrote:
It's fine if you don't believe/understand what I'm talking about. I'm certain that at some point in the near future, they will restructure the classifications of these 'disorders' and those names and stigmas will no longer exist.
Lol nice job sidestepping everything I just said. I pointed out that you were wrong to say (in a self-righteous manner) that there's no relationship between ADHD and restless legs syndrome. And instead you blast me with a misplaced, weasel-worded rant that just kind of re-words stuff you've said upthread in the same empty quasi-scientific way. Boring.
I happen to agree with you. The names and parameters of diagnoses change. But it remains that you aren't listening to what people are saying. You are responding to people in a self-righteous, boring manner. You just took up all this space responding to a point I didn't make, and you've done that several times in this thread.
You're really good at talking but not that good at listening. Hence, I guess, the large amount of comments you make cf "you don't understand what I'm talking about". I guess you barely understand what you're talking about.
I personally think chess can be good for ADHD. If you like, it can be good for those with neuro-divergent experiences. It might mean you're not as good a chess player as others, but an analogy could be: a short person isn't going to be as good as running long distance as a taller person. Doesn't mean that activity isn't good for your fitness etc.
For those who are interested, there has been some research done on chess and ADHD. Here is the abstract of an article on chess as a treatment for ADHD. Regardless of what term you use for the constellation of neuropsychiatric symptoms known as ADHD, you should know that chess has the potential for being an effective treatment.
Harvey_Wallbanger schrieb:
This depends of the specific deficit. Again things aren't that easy.
If I were to have an attention deficit disorder, I'd only play bullet.
Jul 10, 2015
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hpmobil wrote:
Harvey_Wallbanger schrieb:
If I were to have an attention deficit disorder, I'd only play bullet.
This depends of the specific deficit. Again things aren't that easy.
Well, I can understand why you've said that. You've only played one game of bullet and you lost. That would be a discouraging start for me if I were to have ADD. Keep on truckin'.
My personal preferences in chess have nothing to do with the topic. Argumentum ad personam ... means you don't understand.
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I was simply pointing out how some in the world are brainwashed to pretent they're victims in some way along racial lines & attempt to suppress & oppress others free speech by bringing up race (particularly in the U.S.) because in fact they themselves are the racists that's why they bring up race in an effort to silence others. Does that make sense?
Edit: Checkmate.