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Let's be kind to each other. This is a useful and interesting thread without the bad-mouthing.

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I hope I will get a title one day.

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Mouselip wrote:

Let's be kind to each other. This is a useful and interesting thread without the bad-mouthing.

It is just a bit annoying how a guy who's never played OTB is lecturing a titled player about chess improvement and acting like getting a title is easy

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ElijahLogozarStudent wrote:

30,000 games reminds me of my friend gm4life. Not necessarily analyzing the games, teen/young adult, 2800 after roughly 50,000 blitz 3/0 games.

I would say the 80 OTB games I've done have been more helpful to my improvement than my 40k or so online games lol

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https://www.chess.com/blog/ElijahLogozarStudent/my-chess-book-reviews-part-1-pre-hiatus

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https://www.chess.com/blog/ElijahLogozarStudent/my-book-reviews-part-2-blindfold-reading

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chesssblackbelt wrote:

Grinding 5 years to become a GM is ridiculous lol

You need to start as a little kid and then maybe after 10-20 years you get GM if you have the talent

You absolutely do not. Akiba Rubinstein did not know how the pieces moved until he was 14 years old-hardly a little kid. I could dig up more examples if you want.

Also, the existence of "talent" has never been proven. Show me someone "talented", and I'll show you someone who trained intensely for long hours.

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OptimzingForwardForLife wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

It's not unrealistic for op btw because he's already an NM I just think it's unlikely

That explains alot you have little life experience and your just a a highschooler more than likely so your behavior makes alot of sense now. Yes it's possible.

"You're wrong because you're younger than me"

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TheDifferenceOfTier5 wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

Grinding 5 years to become a GM is ridiculous lol

You need to start as a little kid and then maybe after 10-20 years you get GM if you have the talent

You absolutely do not. Akiba Rubinstein did not know how the pieces moved until he was 14 years old-hardly a little kid. I could dig up more examples if you want.

Also, the existence of "talent" has never been proven. Show me someone "talented", and I'll show you someone who trained intensely for long hours.

I did say there were some exceptions. Not really any exceptions today though

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crotonninja1isagm wrote:
TheDifferenceOfTier5 wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

Grinding 5 years to become a GM is ridiculous lol

You need to start as a little kid and then maybe after 10-20 years you get GM if you have the talent

You absolutely do not. Akiba Rubinstein did not know how the pieces moved until he was 14 years old-hardly a little kid. I could dig up more examples if you want.

Also, the existence of "talent" has never been proven. Show me someone "talented", and I'll show you someone who trained intensely for long hours.

Talent most definitely does exist. It exists in every sport. Some people are just naturally gifted and grasp concepts quicker i guess.

How do you know that?

As I said above, it has never been proven and most likely never will be.

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There's people who train harder but are worse

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chesssblackbelt wrote:

There's people who train harder but are worse

Can I have an example of that?

Also, not all training is created equal. All chess players have different strengths and weaknesses and there are a ton of different training methods you can do for each aspect of the game.

And even if it were like you said, that's not exactly scientific proof.

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TheDifferenceOfTier5 wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

There's people who train harder but are worse

Can I have an example of that?

Also, not all training is created equal. All chess players have different strengths and weaknesses and there are a ton of different training methods you can do for each aspect of the game.

And even if it were like you said, that's not exactly scientific proof.

@LunarLightning has 0 OTB experience, 0 chess books read and just spammed around 12,000 bullet and blitz games to improve to 2600 bullet and 2450 blitz

https://lichess.org/@/german11 has over 700,000 games played and is stuck at 1100. He's clearly put more effort into chess than lightning but is way worse

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went 0 to 2000 OTB with the chess boom, 30yo-32. Chess ageism is complete crap, it's literally founded on indian kids that don't go to school LOL

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I arranged a 90+30 tourney for lightning just because I thought it was a bit sad he doesn't get to play OTB 
 
On his 4th ever 90+30 game he beat me... A 2000 otb player. That's just pure talent imo, he hasn't put that much effort into chess
 
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chesssblackbelt wrote:
I arranged a 90+30 tourney for lightning just because I thought it was a bit sad he doesn't get to play OTB 
 
On his 4th ever 90+30 game he beat me... A 2000 otb player. That's just pure talent imo, he hasn't put that much effort into chess
 

For those that don’t understand, it’s because he is far too stinky

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The better we get at anything the slower improvements come. Patience is virtuous

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Tucker_CheckmatedYou wrote:
Gotcha. I would say if you were truly able you dedicate 80 hours a week to study and training you would have a good chance at hitting GM in 5/10 years. Just if you have a job/kids or anything else, that may of course get in the way of your training. But my advice would be similar to mouselip’s. Stay positive, don’t play if you are getting burned out. True dedication and love of the game will get you to GM if you truly want it.

I won't accuse you of trolling here but ...

80 hours of week of ANYTHING will all but guarantee burnout.

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I'm literally terrible at chess, if your 35 and as good as your rating says, and have the money to do it or don't need the money that could be earned in lou of the time used then why not go for it? If its a gamble to become wealthy though, its likely a very bad gamble. Like others say if you truly love it and you have the means then yes, but if you have many other responsibilities it favors failure.

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Etymologist35 wrote:
Tucker_CheckmatedYou wrote:
Gotcha. I would say if you were truly able you dedicate 80 hours a week to study and training you would have a good chance at hitting GM in 5/10 years. Just if you have a job/kids or anything else, that may of course get in the way of your training. But my advice would be similar to mouselip’s. Stay positive, don’t play if you are getting burned out. True dedication and love of the game will get you to GM if you truly want it.

I won't accuse you of trolling here but ...

80 hours of week of ANYTHING will all but guarantee burnout.

Even work