Maybe we should allow all sports to fix stupid unforced errors? The Red Sox would have won the World Series in 1986. Think of all those fumbles lost in football games, or some of the weird own goals in ... football games.
Andy Soltis once wrote that he realised that chess is a serious game when he was told about the touch-move rule. Chess is professional because of this.
If you make a stupid move, there is an easy, two-step way to take back your move:
1. Resign the game.
2. Start another game.
No game is won without your opponent making an error.
At your rating a stupid blunder is hanging a queen.
At 2800 a stupid blunder is losing a pawn in a 10 move combination.
Where do you want to draw the line?
No move is=stupid= instead treat it as a learnig experience
Smy... Buckner's error wasn't unforced. The ball was hit, he missed it. It's like saying my beloved Cubs lost because of Bartman. No they lost because they were not better the rest of the game and the next game.
Rooperi, Not my opponent making an error, those are expected. I'm talking about unforced stupid errors. Like hanging. I don't play chess enough to ever be a 2000+ player. But I play because it's fun and challenging. I'd rather win a well drawn out game then with an opponent hanging the queen out or giving a rook for nothing because they weren't thinking. IMHO that's what chess is all about.
I think saj is talking about misclicks, which are probably my least favorite aspect of live chess online
I think you are one classy guy.
I have had a number of misclicks where I pick up a piece and try to return it but either drop it or put it back on the wrong square.
Ozzie, Not to get into a baseball discussion in a chess forum. But yes, Gonzalez's error cost them game 6, not Bartman and Alou's tantrum. But Game 7 was still at Addison and Clark with Prior and Wood pitching.
I'm just a loser, but I do know about touch-move. Without that, chess would be just another way to kill time and learn nothing.
But it hurts so much when misclick ruins a good game. And they do happen... so if somebody offers me a way back after misclick I migh take it. And if I see it happen I might offer it to, now that I see how that could be done.
It's up to the player. Don't make it a rule...
my $0.1
Actually, misclick is equivalent of lifting a piece on a real board and accidently dropping it... then blushing and quetly cursing... ooops... not sure what's the rule here, but in a friendly game everyone would know that was an accident and allow for correction.
Thanks MN, I would've accepted the game but I was already in one. Was hoping to finish then to accept.
Back to this discussion. I'd rather lose a game when the other player is playing a great game then to win a game when the other player is playing a bad game. Back in high school(when I scored 4 touchdowns in one game for polk high!) I played multiple sports, my football coaches would get ticked off if I laid a guy out I would help them up. I believe in sports if the other player does well you let them know it with a "nice job" and when you do well you don't gloat. It's about playing, having fun and sportsmanship. As much as I hate the Packers, I was one of the only Bears fan in my office that agreed it was a bad call against Seattle earlier this season. As great as a player Aaron Rodgers is, when Green Bay comes to Soldier Field in December I would rather the Bears beat him then for him to be injuried. Makes the win even better.
In tournament chess, and in online blitz chess, if you intend to play Rf3xa3, but slip and play Rb3??, the move stands. The fault is yours and yours alone. The opponent has no obligation, legal or moral, to allow a takeback.
The takeback button looks exactly like the resign button. The trick is to follow up with step two: offer to play another game.
For me, the unsporting players are the ones who take the win but don't agree to a rematch after such an obvious slip.
saj9291113, if someone makes such an "unforced error" (strange notion, are there really forced errors in chess?), then he really deserves to lose.
The Cubs lost because of Alex Gonzalez's error.
Tell that to Moises Alou.
If you want to play that way, you could allow takebacks in your games here.
It IS a feature, at least in Online Chess. When creating a game, choose show more options. Under rated, choose takebacks.
I would be willing to allow an opponent whom I know is certainly capable of a very high level of play, that made an obvious mouse slip while trying to recapture in an obvious exchange, to make the move he/she intended to.
* If you don't think mouse slips are possible....then you probably don't have kids or a demanding spouse...
I don't want or need to beat someone due to them doing something that would be the equivalent of bumping a few pieces while trying to make a move. Why let that sort of thing be your glory ?
Thank you all for your opinions. From what you all said I've taken a couple of things.
1. I would NEVER ask for someone to give me a take back. I would offer it to another player if I felt it was an accident or pure stupid move.
2. I agree with most of you on the "bump" placement. But that was not what I was really saying. This discussion came about because I was in a game about 20 moves in. My opponent was attempting to attack my weak side with his queen with bishop back up. I was able to defend it off with an attack on both. He quickly moved out of my horse attack and right into my bishop path without any back up. He had multiple safe positions including protecting the bishop on the other end of the horse cross. Now from his game up to there I could tell it wasn't the type of move he would have done, but he did. So I offered it back and he declined it
What does everyone think about giving a move back to your opponent? What I mean is, when your opponent moves the queen or another powerful piece to a unprotected kill. I have offered it multiple times to opponents and not alot take it? I feel in honor of good sportsmanship to give it back(of course if you are messaging me smack, disregard I'm taking it) Here's how I do it.
The way I do it is by moving one of my back row pieces to a spot where I don't kill one of your pieces, you move the piece that you screwed up on back to orginal spot before stupid unforced error then I move my back row piece back to the orginal spot. The board is now back to layout before your stupid unforced error. And we can continue the game.