Anand Vs Carlsen anther draw ???

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At this level of play, anyone winging it would be a fool. Maybe they are trying to take the measure of each other before the sparks fly. Some of the comments here strain credibility. These guys are not patzers and they don't wing it!

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shepi13 wrote:
Tal1949 wrote:

The problem is that both men refuse to go outside prepared lines. The result will be draw after draw unless they change that thought process.

It is about time that they started 'playing' chess. There is more to it than just memorizing lines. Both men are at the world championship. Who cares about the past, who cares about ratings, who cares about studying the opponent.

Just start playing chess. Wing it and see what happens.

You don't know what you are talking about. In game 1 Carlsen avoided absolutely all theory, and game 2 had quite a bit of 'playing' chess in it too. Anand needs to stop equalizing positions where he has chances to play for an advantage (no matter how small the advantage is), as he did in the first game with Nd5 (forces a draw) and in the second game with Qxd5 (enters an equal ending).

The problem with this is that Anand doesn't need to win. He can draw every game and go to the tiebreak. 

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NewHampshireBoy wrote:

At this level of play, anyone winging it would be a fool. Maybe they are trying to take the measure of each other before the sparks fly. Some of the comments here strain credibility. These guys are not patzers and they don't wing it!

i checked your rating  , i don't think (( at your level )) you able to say something better than other peaple higher than you , and they are fools what that makes you ?

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The question I'm trying to answer is: Who can we blame more for the drawish games in rounds 1 and 2?

I'd say anand is the one who really wants draws. After all, Carlsen is the Favorite in this match, so Anand is fine with getting draws, and not giving Carlsen much of a chance to win, after which Anand knows his chances of catching back up would be low. I don't blame Carlsen for letting Anand get what he wants in these first 2 games, but I do hope it doesnt continue like this.

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Guys, last year in Anand vs Gelfand the first six games were draws. Most games in a match like this between the world's top players are draws, because they are both just too evenly matched. Neither one is going to make a major mistake. Carlsen will probably play more agressive openings later and win some games, but they won't be until later rounds. I'm hoping for a 1.e4 next game! (I'm rooting for Carlsen btw.) Tongue Out

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TitanCG wrote:
niceforkinmove wrote:
fabelhaft wrote:

Maybe some people weren't meant to be interested in chess :-)

 

This.  

 

I want the players to play the absolute chess moves they can.  I do not want them to stoop so that some in the audience feel "entertained."  

 

If you can't handle the fact that often games between very good players end in draws then chess is not for you.  

Last I checked the Caro-Kann wasn't a forced draw in 20... And according to the analysis the game was dead after Qd5 because Qg4 wouldn't either lose a pawn or Carlsen would lock the game. I guess Petrosian was just lucky to win all his games. Otherwise maybe Anand should start playing this line in the Caro-Kann and make life easy for himself. The positions will surely be too "dangerous" for Carlsen to do anything with and he'll never be able to win.... Chess is solved in the Caro-Kann I guess... If you're not winning in 15 moves then it's time to pack it in. 

Kramnik drew against Kasparov repeatedly in their match in 2000 and there were no complaints because the players were actually trying to win. Here they seem to be reluctant to do anything at all. But again I blame the format.

If only they were fighters like Kasparov right:

Game 5 kasparov down a game:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1252044

game 6 with kasparov with white down a game.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1252046

 

 

Game 13 Kasparov down 2 games!

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1252052

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Somebodysson wrote:

oh my! So perhaps the top player in the world, or certainly one of the top players in the world, is going into a world championship match without much special preparation. Impossible. He is prepared to the gills. Draws like this happen because of great preparation. This is what 'well-prepared' chess likely looks like. If you want to see 'unprepared chess' take a look at some of my posted games. I need help badly. I am having trouble holding on to a 1000 rating. My games are completely unprepared. Help! Please comment on my games and criticize the hell out of me! Just leave anand and Carlsen alone! Those guys KNOW what they're doing!

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-showcase/smothered-and-prevented?lc=1#last_comment

Best comment I've seen on this match

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Carlsen's preparation did seem quite lackluster in his first game with white, not only did he avoid all theory but also commited a serious mistake and was at least slightly worse with the white pieces out of the opening.

His second game was much better, and showed that he does have some good preparation for the match.

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Maroon5fan wrote:

Guys, last year in Anand vs Gelfand the first six games were draws. Most games in a match like this between the world's top players are draws, because they are both just too evenly matched. Neither one is going to make a major mistake. Carlsen will probably play more agressive openings later and win some games, but they won't be until later rounds. I'm hoping for a 1.e4 next game! (I'm rooting for Carlsen btw.) 

If Carlsen tries 1.e4 get ready for the ultra exciting Petroff! There won't be any Sicilians here..For the chance of real thrills Carlsen should play 1.d4 because theres a good chance Anand will go in for the semi-slav (remember how he dismantled Aronian with it at Wijk this year).

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The world chess championship match should be atleast 18 or 24 match. Having only 12 match game makes players catious. They are hesitant to try riskier ideas as one defeat is costly. Unlike in 24 match games, you know you have more games for possible comeback.

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Andre_Harding wrote:
kco wrote:

again I'll say this : Those who complain about the draws and say it boring obviously don't know anything about chess.

+1000

+1000, what for??

We are not watching draws, we are watching colluding between two of the top players in the world. They look at each other and decide that if the game falls outside prep then they shut it down and agree to a draw.

In case you have forgotten what a draw looks like, play through this game. You might learn something about chess at the same time.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1338514

And try playing through the games at tcec. The positions that the computers reach are places that Anand-Carlsen will never see.

The best thing that FIDE can do is to allow Stockfish, Houdini and Komodo to play in the next Candidates. That will stop the colluding straight away...

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12 games is too many in my opinion....best of 7 :D

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tubebender wrote:
bean_Fischer wrote:

Here are openings Fischer - Spassky (1972) openings : Sicilian, Nimzo Indian, Benoni, QGD, English, Ruy Lopez, Alekhine, Pirc.

I bet Carlsen nor Anand will play one of these. Well, they will play Ruy Lopez, but Alekhine? Do they dare?

In fact, Fischer played Alekhine twice in WC. Want to know the result? Won on move 74 , and draw on move 40.

What did Carlsen and Anand play? 16 and 25 moves of Rubbish.

If you played them, you would be reduced to lower than whale shit!

I don't, I am not qualified. I am a spectator. You can't expect more from me.

Buy if you like the way they play, and if you think the 2 games is of championship quality, then we can all go and pretend nothing ever happens. Why waste your time by watching these boring players?

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ever one stand bak - sheeza bubblin pot witha lid bout ta blow off.    

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who we are to talk against both these players !! they are Anand and Carlesn the best players on the world , so let them do what they like do !!