Andrew Tate a Chess Champion?

People are dumb

Because it is funny to point and laugh at the fat kid but since it isn't ok anymore so instead we point and laugh at slightly dumb, lone and vulnerable virgins as long as they are men.

A lot of the PUA and MGTOW stuff was pretty basic common sense but explained instead of just assumed together with some exaggerations and gimmicks. People who already have friends, social skills and experience can easily find what is good advice and what is fluff at best... to bad that those people don't need advices and those who need them can't filter out the bs.

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I did not call young men pathetic.  That was you.  I said that anyone that falls for Tate's garbage is pathetic, and that applies to all of humanity, sentient aliens, God, and whomever else comes along.

There's only so far that the "woe is me, I am so misunderstood" narrative goes.  If you drop live kittens into meatgrinders, you're a horrific human being regardless of whether you were taught to do it.  If you have been raised to think X way, you still absorb a sense of what's right purely through your own negative experiences which develop empathy.  There's a reason that the idea of a conscience is so ubiquitous in literature and history...it's because 99.9% of human beings know on some level when they are hurting people around them merely by observing others and knowing what it feels like when it happens to them.  If you do not learn empathy somewhere along the way, you belong somewhere away from the rest of humanity.

The plight of the average suburban young white male is a joke when compared with the human trafficking Tate is involved in, as is the notion (not from you) that "toxic feminism" and "toxic masculinity" are comparable by degree.  They are only comparable by existence.  When you compare them by degree you get something along the lines of how much oxygen there is in the atmosphere versus argon.

People need to take accountability for supporting a$$hats.  One would think that lesson would be sinking in since 2016.

The initial comment indeed did not seem serious. However, people are people. Sometimes one feel the need to talk a lot. I suppose many people felt the need to say their bit about Andrew Tate. 

I disagree, but feel free to provide the quote.

Well, there is both Schadenfreude from seeing some egoistic, self-important influencer get what he deserve as well as timing of these thread and people talking about how much Tate is "winning in life" just a couple of days before he got caught in a very dumb way.

Sure. But as the problem grows it becomes more significant. When it starts having an impact on society then society will have to start paying attention... and a pretty clear warning sign, IMO, is how people like Tate (and Trump) attract fans.

That indeed is the leftist view, yes.

Tate coming off as a shallow dumba$$ isn't political lol.

Maybe age and IQ related, but not political.

I am not very into what Tate has and hasn't said, but people on the left all say the same things about the same topics, whether these topics are "political" or not. Groupthink is very very strong among them.

It was your assumption that I was constraining my viewpoint to young men.  Ergo, your post defending them .  Where else did young men come into it?  You will note that my replies to Stickman are similarly devoid of this distinction, but perhaps just the fact that he was making the distinction got turned into thinking that I was also arguing from that viewpoint.

Haha, so it's "I did not call young men pathetic. That was you [who suggested I called them pathetic]."

Nah, that's not what your words meant. You claimed I called young men pathetic. Nice try though

I can tell you have well thought out and nuanced views on the matter and are worth listening to.

I'm pretty sure his dad is a GM.

His dad was a famous IM (he died a few years ago).

Another thing they keep doing is willful misunderstanding of people they identify as not part of the herd. But who am I kidding, I will of course not wake anyone up by telling them the truth. That's not how the human mind works, except in very rare cases.

There are a lot of stupid people who say a lot of stupid things. If you want to read something worthwhile then you have to look in the right places.

I don't imagine that a single person on Twitter has something intelligent or useful to say. Everyone says stupid things for attention, and is probably too young to say something meaningful even if they tried.

I've known about Tate for less than a week. I watched a few videos (including from his kickboxing matches) and he comes across as very goofy to me (which I didn't expect). I think it's funny he was arrested after trying to look cool... because when he was trying to act cool he seemed like an actual 12 year old to me.

I thought it was clear enough what I meant, because you know me.  I will qualify next time.

Yeah, I thought it was uncharacteristic of you, so ok, maybe so.

Anyway, happy new year and all that.