Are chess players athletes? 💨

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HonkonBoBo
technical_knockout wrote:

chess is a sport:

a sport is above all else a fight;

sporting chance = fighting chance.

 

playing a board game, does not make one an athlete. Displaying athletic ability, makes one an athlete. 

 

technical_knockout

so displaying mental athleticism makes one a mathlete?

technical_knockout

an auction purchase is just that:

'i bought it at auction on e-bay'... an acquisition.

landloch
Ziryab wrote:
landloch wrote:

If you can play it well while holding a beer in one hand, it is not a sport.

 

Golf?
Fishing?
Darts?

I've not played golf, but all the professionals I see use two hands to on their clubs.

For fishing, it depends.

Darts. Not a sport.

 

Woollensock2
What about “ snakes & ladders “ is that a sport ! …….just asking ! 🤷‍♂️
landloch
technical_knockout wrote:

chess is a sport:

a sport is above all else a fight;

sporting chance = fighting chance.

Legal trials are sports!

InsertInterestingNameHere

“Exercised skill is a major part of what determines sports and athletes.”

 

nowhere in this statement is it said that luck cannot be a factor happy.png

 

“its because its more challenging and competitive.”

 

your opinion happy.png

Derek-C-Goodwin

Along with chess playing I am a belly builder.

mioniomio

Chess is a mental sport such as esport but the players are no athlete within chess

Ziryab
Optimissed wrote:

It's my personal opinion that bullet is not even chess in any real sense.

 

The pieces move more or less the same, but the ideas are shallow. Hyper-bullet is 100% rodent control.

InsertInterestingNameHere

I still see bullet chess as chess, but I totally understand your point. 75% of the time, maybe more, it’s not about who’s better. It’s about who can move the pieces faster. I don’t see the appeal, IMO. If I wanted to shuffle things around I would have played osu instead.

Steven-ODonoghue
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

I still see bullet chess as chess, but I totally understand your point. 75% of the time, maybe more, it’s not about who’s better. It’s about who can move the pieces faster. I don’t see the appeal, IMO. If I wanted to shuffle things around I would have played osu instead.

Despite me being a faster player and having better mouse ability than all of my opponents, I often still lose 10 second ultrabullet games simply because my opponent makes better moves than me and wins on the board.

people who say "bullet is just about moving fast" will lose 100% of the time against a reasonable player.

by the way, osu is actually excellent practice for bullet and hyperbullet

llama51
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:

I often still lose 10 second ultrabullet games simply because my opponent makes better moves

lol

Need some big asterisks around "better moves." 10 second chess is a variant, shouldn't even be in the discussion of bullet "chess."

llama51

And obviously bullet isn't all about moving fast.

I've won 7 bullet games on this account. How many of them did I win on time from a worse position?

(spoiler: zero)

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But sure, between equal players, speed can be worth a few 100 points. When both players are below 10 seconds in an equal position it's certainly not about chess anymore.

Steven-ODonoghue
llama51 wrote:
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:

I often still lose 10 second ultrabullet games simply because my opponent makes better moves

lol

Need some big asterisks around "better moves." 10 second chess is a variant, shouldn't even be in the discussion of bullet "chess."

Fair enough. "Better moves" = "winning moves". And I agree that 10 second isn't chess, but even at that speed the moves on the board are still more important than the clock.

llama51
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:
llama51 wrote:
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:

I often still lose 10 second ultrabullet games simply because my opponent makes better moves

lol

Need some big asterisks around "better moves." 10 second chess is a variant, shouldn't even be in the discussion of bullet "chess."

Fair enough. "Better moves" = "winning moves". And I agree that 10 second isn't chess, but even at that speed the moves on the board are still more important than the clock.

IMO that's a strange way of describing it. It's all about risk assessment of premoves right? It's entirely about the clock.

I don't play much hyperbullet, but I assume, for example, good players on chess.com would never stack their first 3 moves, because of sequences like d4-Bf4-Bc7 and now you lose your queen.

llama51

At least... not stack 3 premoves in a way that doesn't make sense... I guess openings are entirely based around silly tactics like this.

Steven-ODonoghue
llama51 wrote:

 

I don't play much hyperbullet, but I assume, for example, good players on chess.com would never stack their first 3 moves, because of sequences like d4-Bf4-Bc7 and now you lose your queen.

What I do (and I've seen stronger players than me do), would be to stack the premoves - but then be prepared to cancel them with a rightclick. So in your example, as black I might premove 1...d5, 2...Nf6, 3...e6, but if I see 1.e4 I would cancel the rest since 2...Nf6 isn't good against 2.e5. And after 1.d4 d5 (premove) 2.Bf4 Nf6 (premove) I would cancel 3...e6 after seeing Bf4, since Bc7 and Bb8 are possible.

 

llama51

Oh ok, interesting. So you you're sort of keeping track of two sequences. One is the game sequence, whose premoves you might need to continue if your opponent doesn't give you a reason to cancel them, while simultaneously being on alert for a trigger to cancel them.

Do you prefer hyperbullet on chess.com or lichess?

InsertInterestingNameHere
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

I still see bullet chess as chess, but I totally understand your point. 75% of the time, maybe more, it’s not about who’s better. It’s about who can move the pieces faster. I don’t see the appeal, IMO. If I wanted to shuffle things around I would have played osu instead.

Despite me being a faster player and having better mouse ability than all of my opponents, I often still lose 10 second ultrabullet games simply because my opponent makes better moves than me and wins on the board.

people who say "bullet is just about moving fast" will lose 100% of the time against a reasonable player.

by the way, osu is actually excellent practice for bullet and hyperbullet

Half-truth. If you blunder in the beginning it makes the resulting position significantly easier to play for your opponent, and therefore lets them play faster. But blundering when both of you have like 5 seconds doesn’t matter since all that matters is moving fast at that point.

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