Are these openings dubious or solid in your opinion?

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chessteenager

First lets define dubious and solid in my opinion

Dubious is hopeful that your opponent just falls into the trap. ITs not solid, if he knows his lines you will be worse.

Solid- the opening is very much playable regardless what lines the other chooses

First: The evans gambit

Is it dubious or solid? Is it solid enough to be able to play OTB in a 2 hour each person game?

 

Second: Fried Liver

Solid or dubious? Playable in OTB? 

Third: My pet caro kann

Fourth: Another caro kann

 

Please if you guys are gonna say an opening is dubious post a counter line to my lines




chessteenager

Sorry i ment to put this in the openings section.

JMB2010

You might have to learn some theory but otherwise they are all fine. Except I would recommend in the fourth one 5.Ng5, it cuts down on lots of black's options and is more flexible, since your bishop might go to c4 in some lines. If you do Bd3 right away, you've already commited it and your knight is probably going to g5 next anyway.

chessteenager

I was watching a youtube video by NM dereque Kelley who stated that if black knows his lines in the Evans white wills truggle to even hold equality. And i agree with your move order preference JMB2010

mvtjc

All except the Fired Liver are playable at modern master level. I wrote modern since the Fried Liver used to work against chessplayers way before. Black has a good game if he knows how to defend properly.

TetsuoShima
chessteenager wrote:

I was watching a youtube video by NM dereque Kelley who stated that if black knows his lines in the Evans white wills truggle to even hold equality. And i agree with your move order preference JMB2010

i dont think its that easy many great world champions have played it in the past, i dont think its that easy

SmyslovFan

At your rating level, you can play each of these and do well, both in OTB and even correspondence chess.

The Evans is greatly overrated by club players though. I would not recommend it as a main repertoire choice for anyone over ~1800 USCF. It's a good surprise weapon though. The Fried Liver is probably usable all the way up to ~2300 FIDE. The Caro-Kann is usable all the way up to world championship levels. 

kasparov173

They are all solid.

TetsuoShima
SmyslovFan wrote:

At your rating level, you can play each of these and do well, both in OTB and even correspondence chess.

The Evans is greatly overrated by club players though. I would not recommend it as a main repertoire choice for anyone over ~1800 USCF. It's a good surprise weapon though. The Fried Liver is probably usable all the way up to ~2300 FIDE. The Caro-Kann is usable all the way up to world championship levels. 

are you kidding Fischer played the evans gambit, you think someone above 1800 can beat it? Morphy also played it and even Kasparov played it. I want to see the NM or FM or IM who can beat it.

TetsuoShima
kasparov173 wrote:

They are all solid.

exactly!!!!

chessteenager

Im not understanding why Evans cant be a main rep choice. Could you please post a few sample lines?

MatchStickKing

Just avoid the fried liver out of those two - it's good at lower levels and quite fun to play with, but at club standard you'll find yourself in trouble with development.


 

And with the Caro-Kann, be ready to face the more popular exchange variation:

SmyslovFan

Just a word about the Fried Liver. There is no absolute refutation of the Fried Liver, but white is objectively probably only equal in the critical lines. It is still an occasional visitor even in ICCF correspondence games. 

SmyslovFan
TetsuoShima wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:

At your rating level, you can play each of these and do well, both in OTB and even correspondence chess.

The Evans is greatly overrated by club players though. I would not recommend it as a main repertoire choice for anyone over ~1800 USCF. It's a good surprise weapon though. The Fried Liver is probably usable all the way up to ~2300 FIDE. The Caro-Kann is usable all the way up to world championship levels. 

are you kidding Fischer played the evans gambit, you think someone above 1800 can beat it? Morphy also played it and even Kasparov played it. I want to see the NM or FM or IM who can beat it.

Think of the games that Fischer used the Evans Gambit. They were mostly games for show, not for points. Kasparov's surprise use of the Evans was also just that, a surprise. You merely confirm that the Evans is greatly overrrated by club players.

TetsuoShima
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SmyslovFan

Regarding the "refutation" of the Evans: A dedicated player can find the resources on the Evans Gambit online. White struggles for equality against the critical lines, and Black has more than one way to play against it.

kasparov173

could someone help me in this game  http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/forum-game3

TetsuoShima
SmyslovFan wrote:

Regarding the "refutation" of the Evans: A dedicated player can find the resources on the Evans Gambit online. White struggles for equality against the critical lines, and Black has more than one way to play against it.

thats why Anand lost against it right????

yeah i dont believe you 

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1018648

macer75

I play fried liver all the time. Actually i didn't realize it was called the fried liver until today lol

TetsuoShima
macer75 wrote:

I play fried liver all the time. Actually i didn't realize it was called the fried liver until today lol

I also didnt know the name but even Short played it