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Arriving Late (OTB Psyche Tactic)
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Bobby said, " I don't believe in psychology, I believe in good moves."
So, I guess the next part of the question is... while this may be a valid tactic for the GMs in top level tournaments. What do you think of it at the local tournament level? I'll admit that from my experience it does kindle frustration from the get-go. On the other hand, it also makes me think my opponent is a lame imitator. Trying to 'psyche' me before he ever comes to the board. After years of playing OTB, my opinion now is... go ahead & waste your time.
DavyWilliams wrote:
Bobby said, " I don't believe in psychology, I believe in good moves."
...or was that psychology too?
who cares, just start their clock and go watch the other games.
If my opponent wants to sac time on their clock I will be more than happy.
Also isnt 30 minutes the forfeit point?
Ragnarokkr wrote:
who cares, just start their clock and go watch the other games.
If my opponent wants to sac time on their clock I will be more than happy.
Also isnt 30 minutes the forfeit point?
I'm pretty sure it's usually an hour.
Somebody did that to me once at a tournament and he kept talking to me and finally I told him to stop talking , he stopped talking but he was very rude and said he would easily beat me in an equal position.
P.S. I ended up losing the game, also he thought I was 950 but I'm a 1100 but my rating has not been publshed yet.
Mainline_Novelty wrote:
Ragnarokkr wrote:
who cares, just start their clock and go watch the other games.
If my opponent wants to sac time on their clock I will be more than happy.
Also isnt 30 minutes the forfeit point?
I'm pretty sure it's usually an hour.
fide rules?
Savage wrote:
It does screw with their mind before the game: the opponent sees you're late and starts secretly hoping maybe you're going to forfeit... then you arrive and shatter his hopes.
Having said that, I've never heard of anyone saying, "Damn, I could have won that game if only my opponent hadn't psyched me out so much by turning up late!"
I'll admit that I have 'secretly hoped' my opponent would forfeit on time.
But im not exactly 'shattered' when they turn up. After all, i've still been given a time advantage, which is more than I had hoped for before the round started.
Savage wrote:
It does screw with their mind before the game: the opponent sees you're late and starts secretly hoping maybe you're going to forfeit... then you arrive and shatter his hopes.
Having said that, I've never heard of anyone saying, "Damn, I could have won that game if only my opponent hadn't psyched me out so much by turning up late!"
I had a guy not show up for a game once. Actually it really sucks because you pay to be there and give up your weekend so you definitely want to get all your games in.
The TD was nice though. After an hour he forfeited the other guy and offered me a rated game with a player who was visiting. It woudln't count for the pairings but just so I could play.
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Anyway, about this psychological tactic... I don't really understand it. Things like this only affect you if you let them. If my opponent opts to give me time odds it's certainly not going to psych me out. The game will be decided on the board as always.
Bronstein once arrived at the board and spent an hour before playing his first move. His opponent lost his calm and lost quickly.
anpu3 wrote:
I was considering the various things opponents do in OTB tournaments to 'mess with your mind' beyond the typical juvenile things mentioned in previous posts. One thing in particular came to memory. That is, your opponent taking his sweet time coming to start your game.
Now, I may be wrong, but I think this started with Bobby Fischer. And for some reason, some people thought it was cool to ape his behavior. Thinking that they too would beat their opponent based on this psychological tactic. I bring this up because (years ago) there was a guy in our local club tournaments who would always come to his game at least 30 minutes late. Have any of you known someone who employs the same behavior?
yes, Miyamoto Musashi (wait = you mean OTB? ooops: my bad, sorry!!),
30 minutes late?Wouldn't it be a Walkover?Well anyways,even if the walkover time is more than 30 mins,I'd love to have such a huge time advantage.
I've heard about the Zero-tolerance policy but have never seen it being implemented.In 90% of FIDE tourneys Ivé played,the Forfeit time was 15mins.30 mins in some tourneys but Forfeiters are not required to pay Fine or anything although they are withdrawn if they forfeit 2 times consecutively.
AnnaZC wrote:
anpu3 wrote:
I was considering the various things opponents do in OTB tournaments to 'mess with your mind' beyond the typical juvenile things mentioned in previous posts. One thing in particular came to memory. That is, your opponent taking his sweet time coming to start your game.
Now, I may be wrong, but I think this started with Bobby Fischer. And for some reason, some people thought it was cool to ape his behavior. Thinking that they too would beat their opponent based on this psychological tactic. I bring this up because (years ago) there was a guy in our local club tournaments who would always come to his game at least 30 minutes late. Have any of you known someone who employs the same behavior?
yes, Miyamoto Musashi (wait = you mean OTB? ooops: my bad, sorry!!),
I shall have to remember to fasion a sword out of a boat oar next time I run a little late.....
most of my tourneys have been zero tolerance
I try to understand you : you are 13 years old, you call arriving late a psyche tactic ( did you know all reasons for these late arrivals ? ) , the tournaments ( how many ) you play(ed) in have zero tolerance, of course ; or did you men that you yourself act with zero tolerance ? What is the meaning of this topic ? Arriving late can have lots of reasons !
anpu3 wrote:
at least 30 minutes late. Have any of you known someone who employs the same behavior?
Bad idea better be sure of how the rules work if you arrive late for tournaments even a few seconds they can forfiet you there's zero tolerance you have to be present before the round begins.
Estragon wrote:
...The recent trend in GM events, especially in Europe and the Near East, has been a "no-tolerance" policy: you are there at the appointed starting time, or you are forfeited. Since they've been doing that, few have been late."
FIDE 6.a. Any player who arrives at the chessboard after the start of the session shall lose the game. Thus the default time is 0 minutes. The rules of a competition may specify otherwise.
I've read that players were forfeited because they weren't seated (they were standing beside the board).
I was considering the various things opponents do in OTB tournaments to 'mess with your mind' beyond the typical juvenile things mentioned in previous posts. One thing in particular came to memory. That is, your opponent taking his sweet time coming to start your game.
Now, I may be wrong, but I think this started with Bobby Fischer. And for some reason, some people thought it was cool to ape his behavior. Thinking that they too would beat their opponent based on this psychological tactic. I bring this up because (years ago) there was a guy in our local club tournaments who would always come to his game at least 30 minutes late. Have any of you known someone who employs the same behavior?