Beauty

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In Plato's Symposium, Diotima urges us to "give birth in Beauty" by becoming one with, or in, it. She describes a sixfold ladder in which we see Beauty in one thing until we see it in everything; in this way, we are said to become one with it, completely.

But what is Beauty? What does Plato mean here?

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I think perhaps it means to master or dominate things successively until nothing dominates us. Beauty is the truth, it is complete objectivity.

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Like Epictetus says, wish for nothing and you cannot be intimidated by anything... being in Beauty means you wish for nothing, for you've got it all!

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For Plato, unlike Aristotle, this greatest good of Beauty is something you can see - to possess sight of Beauty is the goal. 

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So perhaps Beuaty is "Time" (as an entity). No past, present, or future, just Time itself. And to see this Time means, as Seneca said, you feel like you are living an eternity.

You feign immortality in this way, thus, as Nietzsche said, you guarantee the future.

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What do people think?

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Time is only past and present. The future is an (empty) space....

If I'm in a state of standing up, my act of going to stand up must have preceded it, through the Power that is me to do it (like when we say "can you go to the bathroom" - can means physical power)

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Power always exists but acts and states come and go.....

so Beauty is Power, or domination over everything 

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Yes I am sure that Beauty (Knowledge) is Power, as they said in School House Rock.

Who thinks what else?

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'Forever's right now" as the song goes.... Power/immortality

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Mise en abyme - placed into (an infinite) abyss

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Past "Future" (to move to) Present - Act Power State

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who understands this pseudo-science? no replies says no-one even cares

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Everything has beauty but not everyone sees it.

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Seeing Beauty in things is a mental state we find we will be good with armed with our past experience.

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beauty is in the eye of the beholder

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not everything beautiful is "seen" much of it is felt.

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To summarise everything is a big,fat illusion.

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I can't post to this thread w/o sounding sarcastic.

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Novagames wrote:

To summarise everything is a big,fat illusion.

nothing illusory about truth and beauty

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