Beginner to ELO 2200 in year

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Sergeant-Peppers
1000 euros says you will fall flat on yer ars.
Jenium

Yes, it is possible! Just don't get caught.

GMsingularity
Sergeant-Pepper wrote:
1000 euros says you will fall flat on yer ars.

I have to work first on the terms of the bet and the challenge itself. 

By the way, all my activity here in chess.com community doesn´t focus on the bet, only on the chess challenge itself (someone challenging himself trying to improve fast in a relatively short range of time). I only wanted to point that I´m thinking about a real challenge that´s why I explain the betting part (I need some english grammar exercises too).

 

glamdring27

Not a chance.

SeniorPatzer

I'm first in line for the bet!  Lol!

mgx9600
GMsingularity wrote:
PoolPlayerToo wrote:
GMsingularity wrote:
I'm thinking about starting a challenge for 2018. Improving my chess and reaching a 2200 ELO in just one year. I have a fulltime job, three little kids, a wife and a dog to care about. And I'm over 40 years old. Do you think that it is possible? Would it be a life changing experience or just another Don quixote? What do you think?

Since you want an ELO rating you will have to play OTB, online doesn't do it.

Your biggest obstacle will be finding enough rated games and having time to play them.  With a full time job and a family, how many nights/weekends can you give up to dedicate yourself to actually driving somewhere and playing?

Hope you can pull it off or at least see enough progress to keep you going.

 

I have a multi-step solution for this:

- Give up my job

- Get divorced

- Anyone wants a giant dog?

-  And innoculating the chess passion my kids ;-)

(ok, I say ELO but I mean any quantitative measurement of a concrete or not so concrete chess strenght)

That´s the point,

FIDE rating = a lot of time investment but no cheating (or much more difficult)

online rating = nobody (inlcuding my future ex-wife) is going to bet against me if I can cheat

 

Any method despite of converting my playing places in the next "Big Brother" for demonstrating the people who bet against me that I don´t cheat?

 

 

Why cheat online?  You are only cheating yourself from learning chess and having fun (I just can't imagine how fun it is to copy-and-paste moves)... and if you aren't learning chess, then all that time spent is such a waste.

 

 

Take a look at the references I posted of people setting nearly impossible goals ... and actually achieving something and with great enjoyment in the process... even though they didn't reach those impossible goals.

 

The motorcycle guy, I know him.  He raced locally (and it is a small community -- just like the regional chess tournaments or any regional competitions, always the same guys).  Piano guy?  I don't know much except for his posts on the forum (like you).  Both came to my mind when reading your posts.  Both learned a great deal.

KODIAMUSMAXIMUS

Sure, if you quit your job, divorce your wife, and ignore your kids. You can maybe keep the dog but don't spend to much time playing with it. 

skeldol

So I read about a study on this very topic!  How long on average did it take someone to get to master?  It turns out the average is the well understood 10,000 hours of quality practice. Within this the variance was 3,000hours for a very talented player to 20,000 hours for the less talented.  I would guess you would fall towards the 20,000 hour end if you've not discovered yourself talented already.  I think 1000 hours normally takes about a year??  So 20 years of dedication.  If you do it in a year then Magnus is gonna be really worried, maybe even stockfish should be worried wink.png  Good luck

skeldol

 I guess we could consider those players to be towards the talented (3 year) end of the spectrum???

skeldol

I think the key takeway from the study is a min of 3000 hours for a talented player. Maybe its possbile to do 8 hours every day for a year???  You seem far from a beginner so I'm sure you've already clocked a lot of those hours.

lexbabu

🤔

Jenium
skeldol wrote:

I think the key takeway from the study is a min of 3000 hours for a talented player. Maybe its possbile to do 8 hours every day for a year???  You seem far from a beginner so I'm sure you've already clocked a lot of those hours.

 

If you are a kid that might be true. If you are above 40 you might spend 30 000 hours and still don't make it, if you start as a beginner.

 

 

stanhope13

Good luck, i think you,ll need it.

But all the best anyway.

bong711

You need a good coach. Maybe you won't need to quit job, divorce and give away dog. Your best starting action is hire a good coach.

Grommy666

2200 per year way too high I guess.

If you can make it 1800 a year that will be great result.

I think you need motivation and dont quit.

good luck anywayhappy.png

Sneakmasterflex

OTB 2200 is much much harder than online, just think about it , you might have to travel to tournaments, pay for hotels or motels, participation fees and all. And you should make time everyday 4hrs for chess, 3hrs study and 1 hour online play everyday, and those are considered minimums. More realistic is maybe 5 years. And even then it won't be easy.

 

 

Konnichiwassup
skeldol wrote:

So I read about a study on this very topic!  How long on average did it take someone to get to master?  It turns out the average is the well understood 10,000 hours of quality practice. Within this the variance was 3,000hours for a very talented player to 20,000 hours for the less talented.  I would guess you would fall towards the 20,000 hour end if you've not discovered yourself talented already.  I think 1000 hours normally takes about a year??  So 20 years of dedication.  If you do it in a year then Magnus is gonna be really worried, maybe even stockfish should be worried   Good luck

This is seriously terrible and incredibly inaccurate advice please don't listen to this, holy crap this hurts to read

GMsingularity

It´s very interesting to read all your opinions on this topic.

I am  going to tell you a bit about me because I think it can explain some aspects. I have a Bachelor in Sport-science and my field of interests were High Performance and Sport Expertise (this is the field related with the 10000 hours...bla,bla,bla).

I have played as a youngster several sports at a national level, and as a trainer I have a  long experience preparing High Performance Athletes (mainly as a "sport and conditioning coach"). 

On the other side I played nearly 10 years professional poker, online and offline. With very very long sessions.

 

That means that:

- I have a precise idea about how someone can get to a High Performance level in a sport (generally speaking)

- I know the price who someone has to pay and I have paid it  by myself in several disciplines (not to the highest level but more than ELO 2200 ;-))

- Betting and challenges is something normal for me (I have never make something like that of course, but I have the people who would like to bet some serious money "around me")

- I know what hard work means (very important!!!)

 

On the other side:

- I´m a chess beginner who have spend last months playing some chess thanks to the discovery of this website.

- I have been interested since then more in chess training methods than in improving chess itself (just personal joy :-))

-  I have no first hand experience on how easy or difficult climbing the chess ladder is

- I´m a CHESS IGNORANT. Idon´t even know what you have to do to be a chess master.

 

BUT... I know that it is possible to reach ELO 2200 in one year from scratch

 

P.D. Magnus Carlsen was 8 years old. I´m 41 :-)

KODIAMUSMAXIMUS

Stick with poker. Better money and better longevity.

GMsingularity
greekgift_221b wrote:

I do not get it. All of us were 8 years old. What did you want to say?

Of course not.

Someone wrote that the ELO progression from 1000 to 2000 took Magnus 3 years: from the age of 8 to 11. My answer is that I´m an adult and not a kid.

 

There is no doubt for me that Magnus Carlsen would have beat this challenge very easily and without knowing any rule of chess at this point