Blind Preference to Vishy Anand

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Anonymous_Dragon

Have a poll to pick between two different World Champions , one of them being Vishy and you will end up with 90 percent of Indians (if not more) voting for Vishy . 

And this is not them thinking objectively and deciding who's better , but them picking Vishy because of their bias . They support Vishy solely for the reason that he's Indian .

Now I understand , everyone does have a soft corner for their countrymen .....but it's on a different level when it comes to my fellow Indians . I don't see the Russians idolize and rant about Kasparov all the time . Same with the Americans and Bobby Fischer . 

And this is what I have been trying to understand . Why is it that , for an average Indian Vishy is the preference even before they actually try to think in an intellectually honest way ? 

Would love to hear your thoughts on it . Also please note , this post has nothing against Anand . I admire him for his humbleness and talent . And there's certainly not any problem with him being anyone's preference ....but my problem is ....well I have already elaborated it above . 

Anonymous_Dragon
Chesskotdwar wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

Have a poll to pick between two different World Champions , one of them being Vishy and you will end up with 90 percent of Indians (if not more) voting for Vishy . 

And this is not them thinking objectively and deciding who's better , but them picking Vishy because of their bias . They support Vishy solely for the reason that he's Indian .

Now I understand , everyone does have a soft corner for their countrymen .....but it's on a different level when it comes to my fellow Indians . I don't see the Russians idolize and rant about Kasparov all the time . Same with the Americans and Bobby Fischer . 

And this is what I have been trying to understand . Why is it that , for an average Indian Vishy is the preference even before they actually try to think in an intellectually honest way ? 

Would love to hear your thoughts on it . Also please note , this post has nothing against Anand . I admire him for his humbleness and talent . And there's certainly not any problem with him being anyone's preference ....but my problem is ....well I have already elaborated it above . 

It is good to biased upon country you live. 

It's not . 

Anonymous_Dragon
Chesskotdwar wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
Chesskotdwar wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

Have a poll to pick between two different World Champions , one of them being Vishy and you will end up with 90 percent of Indians (if not more) voting for Vishy . 

And this is not them thinking objectively and deciding who's better , but them picking Vishy because of their bias . They support Vishy solely for the reason that he's Indian .

Now I understand , everyone does have a soft corner for their countrymen .....but it's on a different level when it comes to my fellow Indians . I don't see the Russians idolize and rant about Kasparov all the time . Same with the Americans and Bobby Fischer . 

And this is what I have been trying to understand . Why is it that , for an average Indian Vishy is the preference even before they actually try to think in an intellectually honest way ? 

Would love to hear your thoughts on it . Also please note , this post has nothing against Anand . I admire him for his humbleness and talent . And there's certainly not any problem with him being anyone's preference ....but my problem is ....well I have already elaborated it above . 

It is good to biased upon country you live. 

It's not . 

I have no problem if people here from India chose Anand or not but the main thing is to support people from your own country. 

No you don't have to . This is not a war 

Anonymous_Dragon
December_TwentyNine wrote:

Always ALWAYS!!! America FIRST AND THEN The Philippines.

ALWAYS Support your country.

I'm about to name some World Leaders but I don't want this thread to get hijacked. Very strong opinionated about these FAKE people.

I am also as patriotic as you are . But I simply don't see it playing a role in picking between two chess world champions.

ninjaswat

I honestly only support people for the moves they make on the board so I go for Magnus 😇

little_ernie

Anonymous,  Vishy is one of my favorite players, and I'm not Indian.

You mention objectively deciding who's better. Better in what way ? Most things cannot be measured on a mathematical scale like an Elo rating. A chess player can have other attributes like exciting play, a personal life, charisma, charitable activities and courage to maintain principles when confronted by a tyrannical government. Of course there's nationality. Vishy is the only World Champion from India. 

No sense having a cow over someone else's preferences. When I was a schoolboy we would end an argument with de gustibus non disputandum est. I like rhubarb pie and most others don't. Regards. 

Anonymous_Dragon
little_ernie wrote:

Anonymous,  Vishy is one of my favorite players, and I'm not Indian.

You mention objectively deciding who's better. Better in what way ? Most things cannot be measured on a mathematical scale like an Elo rating. A chess player can have other attributes like exciting play, a personal life, charisma, charitable activities and courage to maintain principles when confronted by a tyrannical government. Of course there's nationality. Vishy is the only World Champion from India. 

No sense having a cow over someone else's preferences. When I was a schoolboy we would end an argument with de gustibus non disputandum est. I like rhubarb pie and most others don't. Regards. 

You are right . There are many factors and not just the elo rating that helps us judge a chess world champion. And of course we shouldn't be having a problem with others preferences. So I get it that while Vishy might lag behind other world champions in terms of performance over the chess board , he still makes up for it with his charisma and humble personality . Fine . But , whos got a better charisma , which player is more humble , all these questions are matter of pure personal opinion. And can vary from person to person . So don't you see a problem here that for 90 percent of the Indians , Vishy is their favourite? Do you see 90 percent of the Americans idolize Fischer the way Indians do to Anand ? Not to mention Fischer had the similar kind of impact and influence on American Chess environment the way Anand has had on Indian chess environment.

Anonymous_Dragon
ninjaswat wrote:

I honestly only support people for the moves they make on the board so I go for Magnus 😇

I see. You are a man of culture

arimap
Anonymous_Dragon a écrit :

Have a poll to pick between two different World Champions , one of them being Vishy and you will end up with 90 percent of Indians (if not more) voting for Vishy . 

And this is not them thinking objectively and deciding who's better , but them picking Vishy because of their bias . They support Vishy solely for the reason that he's Indian .

Now I understand , everyone does have a soft corner for their countrymen .....but it's on a different level when it comes to my fellow Indians . I don't see the Russians idolize and rant about Kasparov all the time . Same with the Americans and Bobby Fischer . 

And this is what I have been trying to understand . Why is it that , for an average Indian Vishy is the preference even before they actually try to think in an intellectually honest way ? 

Would love to hear your thoughts on it . Also please note , this post has nothing against Anand . I admire him for his humbleness and talent . And there's certainly not any problem with him being anyone's preference ....but my problem is ....well I have already elaborated it above . 

I think that it's the same in every country but when we don't live on it we don't realise that it isn't only in our country. For example in france everyone reminds 1998 football world cup and idolize it

Quasimorphy

I think part of it is because Vishy is more recent than Fischer.  Americans used to be much bigger Fischer fanatics than they are now.  Kasparov not being idolized as much might be explained by the number of great Russian or Soviet players there have been.  

assassin3752
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

Have a poll to pick between two different World Champions , one of them being Vishy and you will end up with 90 percent of Indians (if not more) voting for Vishy . 

And this is not them thinking objectively and deciding who's better , but them picking Vishy because of their bias . They support Vishy solely for the reason that he's Indian .

Now I understand , everyone does have a soft corner for their countrymen .....but it's on a different level when it comes to my fellow Indians . I don't see the Russians idolize and rant about Kasparov all the time . Same with the Americans and Bobby Fischer . 

And this is what I have been trying to understand . Why is it that , for an average Indian Vishy is the preference even before they actually try to think in an intellectually honest way ? 

Would love to hear your thoughts on it . Also please note , this post has nothing against Anand . I admire him for his humbleness and talent . And there's certainly not any problem with him being anyone's preference ....but my problem is ....well I have already elaborated it above . 

idk. but yes what you said is true. If you ask an indian who would they choose between vishy and magnus, then they'd probably say vishy

Chushoudelu

well in canada nobodys world class good so nothing happens

Anonymous_Dragon
royalknight101 wrote:

i cant really explain it as its more of a thing where people just choose to root for their hero, in this case vishy cause he is a national icon and the person who has made Indian chess what it is today and he has done it unlike anyone else. magnus carlsen, bobby fischer, gary kasparov, and some others like fabi, hikaru, and nepo have promoted chess in some aspect for their countries but they are incomparable to vishy as being a figure for the future of chess.

now obviously this doesnt mean people have to pick vishy but there is just a lot of lore and reasoning on why people would just cheer for their figure considering all he has done for chess in Indian which again is pretty much incomparable to anyone else.

How are the contribution from these people that you just mentioned , incomparable to that of Vishy's? Bobby Fischer and Magnus have been absolute legends in their respective countries.

Anonymous_Dragon
Quasimorphy wrote:

I think part of it is because Vishy is more recent than Fischer.  Americans used to be much bigger Fischer fanatics than they are now.  Kasparov not being idolized as much might be explained by the number of great Russian or Soviet players there have been.  

Well thats a good point

AunTheKnight
little_ernie wrote:

Anonymous,  Vishy is one of my favorite players, and I'm not Indian.

You mention objectively deciding who's better. Better in what way ? Most things cannot be measured on a mathematical scale like an Elo rating. A chess player can have other attributes like exciting play, a personal life, charisma, charitable activities and courage to maintain principles when confronted by a tyrannical government. Of course there's nationality. Vishy is the only World Champion from India. 

No sense having a cow over someone else's preferences. When I was a schoolboy we would end an argument with de gustibus non disputandum est. I like rhubarb pie and most others don't. Regards. 

 

dfgh123

Interesting I think Americans do the opposite, they actively hate on their players.

Circumlocutions
Americans hate on our country in general it’s pretty weird
DreamscapeHorizons

There's a difference when it comes to giving an opinion of who's better and who's their favorite. I see many fans on here making threads like the current vishy vs magnus. They might be involved in a popularity contest rather than who the better player is. Which is The Magster of course. Come on, we all know it!  Amirite y'all? 

brianchesscake
DreamscapeHorizons wrote:

There's a difference when it comes to giving an opinion of who's better and who's their favorite. I see many fans on here making threads like the current vishy vs magnus. They might be involved in a popularity contest rather than who the better player is. Which is The Magster of course. Come on, we all know it!  Amirite y'all? 

Magnus is the clearly superior player, but I think their matches were too one-sided because Magnus was in his prime and Vishy was definitely over-the-hill. (interestingly enough, Vishy sort of came back after losing his title to play some of the best and exciting dynamic chess of his life - as if being world champ was pessuring him to play more conservatively). A match between Magnus and Vishy when both were young and healthy would be spectacular to watch, even though there's no doubt Magnus would have won just because of all the advancements that have made in chess theory and preparation in the last 20-30 years.

Anonymous_Dragon
December_TwentyNine wrote:

Infiltration from within. The corrupt politicians and the invisible enemy will install certain athletes (Colin Kaepernick is probably the best example) in sports organizations to see if they can convince the people that America is bad, and all they aim to do is divide the people. Because divided, we are weak, united, we are strong.

Solution is to ignore these politicians and athletes and acknowledge that THEY are the enemy of we the people, and not ourselves.

hmmm