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PineappleBird

my uneducated opinion is that when you improve at chess you become bad at blitz, and the other way around.

Every time I make a realistic attempt (working at it) to raise my rapid / classical rating, abstaining from fast chess, I become horrible at Blitz within a few weeks...

When you are like "whatever I dont want to improve I just want to play", then you reach good blitz form within some weeks.

I can only imagine in the higher levels it could be something similar... imagine a GM or an IM who just -does not- play slow chess anymore, but has a rich experience of classical tournament chess in his past... after a year or two of playing mainly if not solely online Blitz, he will become a monster... on the other hand take someone like Fabi or Wesley, because they are pros they always have to keep working on classical, and therefore they don't reach this beast mode of online blitz... (where you can basically flag people down a queen if you are a nasty enough player)...

I think there are plenty of IM's and GM's who are completely retired from classical, and have no interest in further improving at real chess... so they naturally become insane at blitz

chess2Knights

Well I agree that it is probably good for business but it is deceptive. As far as the two kings touching by a 2700 player that should not happen at any level unless the time control was ridiculous which it was. Leaving out names I recently saw a game between a 2800 player and a 2200 player. The 2800 won but both players had a horrible game and the 2200 had the better of it for most of the game. It was 3 min blitz.

Uhohspaghettio1
PineappleBird wrote:

my uneducated opinion is that when you improve at chess you become bad at blitz, and the other way around.

Every time I make a realistic attempt (working at it) to raise my rapid / classical rating, abstaining from fast chess, I become horrible at Blitz within a few weeks...

When you are like "whatever I dont want to improve I just want to play", then you reach good blitz form within some weeks.

I can only imagine in the higher levels it could be something similar... imagine a GM or an IM who just -does not- play slow chess anymore, but has a rich experience of classical tournament chess in his past... after a year or two of playing mainly if not solely online Blitz, he will become a monster... on the other hand take someone like Fabi or Wesley, because they are pros they always have to keep working on classical, and therefore they don't reach this beast mode of online blitz... (where you can basically flag people down a queen if you are a nasty enough player)...

I think there are plenty of IM's and GM's who are completely retired from classical, and have no interest in further improving at real chess... so they naturally become insane at blitz

The problem with that theory is that Nakamura streams blitz all the time and is getting exceptional results in classic chess. If anything it's as if Nakamura's rating started increasing the moment he started streaming and playing blitz.

PineappleBird
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:
PineappleBird wrote:

my uneducated opinion is that when you improve at chess you become bad at blitz, and the other way around.

Every time I make a realistic attempt (working at it) to raise my rapid / classical rating, abstaining from fast chess, I become horrible at Blitz within a few weeks...

When you are like "whatever I dont want to improve I just want to play", then you reach good blitz form within some weeks.

I can only imagine in the higher levels it could be something similar... imagine a GM or an IM who just -does not- play slow chess anymore, but has a rich experience of classical tournament chess in his past... after a year or two of playing mainly if not solely online Blitz, he will become a monster... on the other hand take someone like Fabi or Wesley, because they are pros they always have to keep working on classical, and therefore they don't reach this beast mode of online blitz... (where you can basically flag people down a queen if you are a nasty enough player)...

I think there are plenty of IM's and GM's who are completely retired from classical, and have no interest in further improving at real chess... so they naturally become insane at blitz

The problem with that theory is that Nakamura streams blitz all the time and is getting exceptional results in classic chess. If anything it's as if Nakamura's rating started increasing the moment he started streaming and playing blitz.

One mega genius dude dosen't make it the norm... I mean you know better than I do..

But I believe the fact Nakamura actually makes more than decent $ from streaming actually allows him to prepare for and play classical tourney in a way only he can... His mindset, and "litterally not caring", is quite unique, as the his results in classical don't affect his livelihood whatsover which critically removes a good % of the pressure... He has a good decade or more of being in the top 10 before he started streaming, too...

chess2Knights

Blitz may be fun at times but it is silly to take it serious and should not be used to break ties. Rapid OK , blitz or heaven forbid using bullet no way! Just saw a game OTB where Magnus (already world champion) did not notice an enemy rook on the square directly in front of his king, had him in check. He ignored the check and made an illegal move. Bullet is about who has faster hands or reflexes. The best move seems to be the closet piece to your hand and or the clock. LOL

Uhohspaghettio1
PineappleBird wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:
PineappleBird wrote:

my uneducated opinion is that when you improve at chess you become bad at blitz, and the other way around.

Every time I make a realistic attempt (working at it) to raise my rapid / classical rating, abstaining from fast chess, I become horrible at Blitz within a few weeks...

When you are like "whatever I dont want to improve I just want to play", then you reach good blitz form within some weeks.

I can only imagine in the higher levels it could be something similar... imagine a GM or an IM who just -does not- play slow chess anymore, but has a rich experience of classical tournament chess in his past... after a year or two of playing mainly if not solely online Blitz, he will become a monster... on the other hand take someone like Fabi or Wesley, because they are pros they always have to keep working on classical, and therefore they don't reach this beast mode of online blitz... (where you can basically flag people down a queen if you are a nasty enough player)...

I think there are plenty of IM's and GM's who are completely retired from classical, and have no interest in further improving at real chess... so they naturally become insane at blitz

The problem with that theory is that Nakamura streams blitz all the time and is getting exceptional results in classic chess. If anything it's as if Nakamura's rating started increasing the moment he started streaming and playing blitz.

One mega genius dude dosen't make it the norm... I mean you know better than I do..

But I believe the fact Nakamura actually makes more than decent $ from streaming actually allows him to prepare for and play classical tourney in a way only he can... His mindset, and "litterally not caring", is quite unique, as the his results in classical don't affect his livelihood whatsover which critically removes a good % of the pressure... He has a good decade or more of being in the top 10 before he started streaming, too...

You're saying that because he's not financially dependent on classical it means he'll be better at it? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

They're all mega geniuses. You can't just look at the evidence of Nakamura and say oh well he doesn't count because he's a mega genius.

Not very compelling arguments.

He's a single case, but an undeniably interesting one.. He had a peak at around 27 years old or something like that and then like many started to fall downwards, barely remaining in the top 20 even for some time. Compare him with Caruana who plays a lot less blitz and Nakamura has improved much more than him in the past few years.

After he started developing his youtube and twitch career, which has a lot of streaming and blitz, it's like he found a new lease of life for his classical and 9 years later he's just 28 elo points shy of his all-time high.

Maybe he also devotes more time to classical in addition to blitz, that's quite possible. Noone's arguing blitz actually making him a better player, though you never know.

I think it's possible to conclude that moderate or even heavy amounts of blitz is NOT harmful to classical.

medelpad
I only play blitz and sometimes classical OTB
PineappleBird

I think it's possible to conclude that moderate or even heavy amounts of blitz is NOT harmful to classical.

yeah I agree I didn't say that... What I was saying is something he's stated himself that because he plays few classical tournaments a year and he's always some "dark horse" even though he's top 4 in the world... because he regards himself a streamer first and all that he pretends to be "retired" from classical and only doing it for fun you know.. It is true that having the element of surprise with fresher prep and less financial dependency on results can make you more willing to play for a win every single game, or take risks... also he comes to it more fresh, the games mean more to him cuz he knows he only has a few classical games a year (while others grind classical, which also has it's advantages which can be argued for psychologically, for a pro player)... these are all things he's said himself so... idk what dosen't make sense to you happy.png