dont be mad cas bobby was the best... if i were u i would just wait till after work and bet them u can whoop their A**
Bobby Fischer is not dead. Why?
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Solution: Don't be so concerned with the opinions of idiots.
KingAlex24 wrote:
dont be mad cas bobby was the best... if i were u i would just wait till after work and bet them u can whoop their A**
I disagree, KingAlex24, about Fischer. As far as betting them, etc., I really do not look at chess that way. To me, a position occurs on the board, and I make a mistake, or my opponent does. Then one of us argues hers or his advantage until the game is completed. I never feel "better" than the other person, just lucky.
OfEmptyMen(great name), the most that can be said is annoyance--no great concern at all. My post is a little more light-hearted than that
rich wrote:
Kasparov had a higher rating than Fischer.
Can't really tell anything from their ratings. They would have to be in the same pool of players to see where they would fall, since rating numbers are heavily dependent on the pool that drives them. Kasparov has also embraced automation, and sometimes uses computer analysis to discover new lines, which might give him a slight edge, but we have to think that Fischer would need to adapt as well if he wanted to remain viable in today's environment.
Last time I checked, Fischer was really deceased, and he will remain a part of history. Any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.
Okay, this actually occured about a half hour ago. I have some friends over to drink some bloody marys to get the day started. I get on the computer to see if I have any waiting moves to make while one of my friends makes another round(she is quite good at making bloody marys BTW). Her friend and I look at this post online, while we wait for our drinks. After reading it, he says, "It is not nice to make fun of dead people." The drinks come. I respond, "Really?" He says something like, People think they are funny, making fun of dead people, but they are not. Of course, I am not amused by his manner, but... I am drinking after all. We are, all of us, quite happy with that fact. So I play interested, "You obviously have strong feelings about the way dead people feel when being made fun of", I say. He says, prepare yourself, for you must understand, I did not know he was interested, or knew anything about chess. He says, "Bobby Fischer was one of the greatest Americans EVER!"
Another instance of truth stranger than fiction. Since I am to have lunch with my friends, and that gentleman, in about a half hour, I excused myself from the conversation to get dressed for walking about town, but I am inclined to guess that lunch will be a nice relaxing setting to hurt the ever-sensitive feelings of the dead
tonydal wrote:
Because Elvis says so.
Elvis isn't dead- I heard him on the radio.
Dec 22, 2009
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Is the Bobby Fischer thing purely an American thing?
IMO not really- It is a measure of chess culture and progression how far any Western nation has shed the Bobby shadow. Most have mind you, but it wasn't always that way.
The danes have Larsen, the Dutch have Timman (although he was often shortchanged in Bobby's shadow), the English crashed into GM chess and have never looked back, Argentina had Najdorf, Brazil had Mecking, but the US has yet to have a player eclipse their own icon. Only now do we have a player (Hikaru) who could possibly be considered in the ranks of the truly elite. (The London Chess tournament didnt really impress)
Why won't Bobby die?
Timing, Bobby did a nearly impossible feat precisely at the moment when the world mainstream vaguely cared. Quitting and becoming a recluse only served to feed the legend. His legend will only get larger with time as people forget the post 1972 Bobby. When the boomers are gone new generations will discover and popularize the legend in their own way. He will be stock fodder for every myth of one's will against the collusion of many. Like it or not.
Nice response, nimzo5, though a clearly depressing one. Now I get to spend the rest of the night in fear of being haunted by the Fischer ghost for generations to come. Look for the new "Why won't I die?" thread coming soon...
tonydal wrote:
Because Elvis says so.
Can I just say that, I love you, tonydal? XD Your always-amusing, playful remarks come with such a dazzling and majestic delivery from that NM next to your name.
(straight)
I don't know... I'm pretty sure I killed him.
I mean, I'm pretty sure he's dead.
Dec 25, 2009
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If this is part of "the Fischer lecture" I apologise in advance.
At his best Fischer was an astonishing artist. The love and passion that seemed missing from the rest of his life was distilled into chess of amazing purity and beauty. The stubborn go-it-alone bravado of his youth in time curdled into a sour paranoia and hateful scapegoating. Still, I remember opening the then newest issues of Chess Life to find yet another immortal Fischer masterpiece.
R.I.P.
odyson wrote:
If this is part of "the Fischer lecture" I apologise in advance.
At his best Fischer was an astonishing artist. The love and passion that seemed missing from the rest of his life was distilled into chess of amazing purity and beauty. The stubborn go-it-alone bravado of his youth in time curdled into a sour paranoia and hateful scapegoating. Still, I remember opening the then newest issues of Chess Life to find yet another immortal Fischer masterpiece.
R.I.P.
No. That is far from the "Fischer lecture". The "Fischer lecture" is where Fischer resembles something like the tragedy of Ghandi with a brain tumor mixed with Patton winning world war two by himself. Toss in "The boy in the bubble" and mix it with the inventor of chess himself.
Dec 25, 2009
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jdilley wrote:
Simply put:
Good chess player - terrible person.
WAY too simple IMHO. Yes he was a great chess player. I have been reading some of his biographies lately and you must note, I am a licensed mental health therapist.
Bobby Fisher was probably the greatest chess player ever. Ratings have nothing to do with it -- that has more to do with the pool of players.
The Late Great Bobby Fischer was always running. Running from what is hard to ascertain. But he was struck with some anti-social mental illness that was never treated.
IMO, to say he was a terrible person is like saying someone with a headache is a terrible person. He needed help that he never sought. He died young (64) and probably was never at peace until he died.
Spassky was quoted saying "you do not play chess against Bobby Fischer, you hope to survive".
I pray his soul does finally be free of whatever tormented him.
If you want to be simple about it:
A Great Chess Grandmaster and World Champion
Tormented by an anti-social problem.
LOL, drunken chess is awesome, it is fun to watch people play when their judgement is impared
ARandomPerson wrote:
LOL, drunken chess is awesome, it is fun to watch people play when their judgement is impared
In the morning I wake up, read the news, then go to "chess.com" and make my moves. In the afternoon and early evening I begin to drink and post thoughts on this forum and some political forums. All the while I keep checking back here to make moves. I keep drinking until I care not what type of positional advantage my opponent threatens, or who may hate my point of view in the forums. True, I am saddened by some things people write when I read them without drink, but most of the time I play chess quite intoxicated. I blame nothing at all on drinking when caught into the trap of defeat, but since most of the day, I must be a nice little girl, I find drink to be a very nice friend around as I speak my mind and make my moves. I have no idea if my judgement is "impaired" through this, but I do know my judgement is more amusing to me.
I am not really qualified to say wether or not he is the best ever, though I have certainly heard that.
I can say with confidence however that he was a brilliant player, and the strange circumstances at the height of his chess power only add to his mystique. I am in awe of most games I see of his, and I am a little depressed that I will never, ever be able to think like him (though I have some Jewish friends, so its probably for the best).
Jan 21, 2023
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Bobby had that mysterious part to his life which other players like kasparov don't have so this makes his life more interesting to people.....off course the difference between him and the 2nd best player at that time was 120 elo points at that time....which is far greater than that of magnus or kasparov....also fischer being called tye Einstein of chess, maybe God of chess, the king also....all these made his figure large and large and I think that bobby fischer would live as long as chess continues to exist even though people may speak less about him if an American born chess player becomes world champion for like 10-12 years atleast and achieves a higher rating than magnus carlsns peak....this would somehow reduce Bobby's shade just like Paul morphy was a bit forgotten when bobby came although he was also called the 2nd morphy
While tending bar last night, a few patrons, having drinks turned the conversation from themselves to me, asking, amongst other things, what I do in the daytime, my free time? I responded that I like to watch squirrels in my backyard, while playing chess. After the typical suprising "Wow, a woman who plays chess" nonsense, one of the gentleman asked if I liked Bobby Fischer. I responded, that I did not. At which point the 'Bobby Fischer lecture' commenced. Since I was at work, I could not get away. It just went on and on. I tried to interject that there are many great chessplayers past and present, but I had to hear about how "Fischer" was better than all of them. I keep a chess set under the top shelf vodka at work, when I am bartending. The gentlemen wished to play one another while showing me some "chess tricks". You must understand--I couldn't leave. Trapped in the la brea tar pits of drunken 900 level chess pedagoguery, I was inclined to take a few shots of vodka myself. 'A type of escape', I thought. On reflection, a question formed: Is the 'Bobby Fischer lecture', a purely American thing? The two most typical things I've come across in chess is the 'Bobby Fischer lecture', and the 'A girl who plays chess' suprise. The latter is not as prevalent in chess circles as the former, therefore, not as annoying. Why won't Fischer just die already?