Bobby Fischer Lacked Creativity ?....How Dare I ! - Chess Forums - Page 38

Harvey_Wallbanger

Jun 23, 2015

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#741

Forget what I just said. Too late. Do a Google and you'll find ample sites for wacky chess, including right here:

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/fun-with-chess/wacky-chess-rules

Harvey_Wallbanger

Jun 23, 2015

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#742

One other comment...

There are tons of people who are dissatisfied with chess and would like to see it modified in one way or another. People just like to meddle. When I sold one of my houses years ago, the new owner tore out all the new carpet and installed hardwood flloors, tore out the sun room, tore out perfectly good trees, painted the excellent hardwood kitchen cabinets, etc.

Nutsy! That's what most people are. Don't believe me, look around yourself at family, friends, co-workers. They are all nutsy!

The thing about traditional chess is that I can go to any place in the world (in some countries chess was or is illegal...ungodly), not be able to speak the language but be able to play a game of chess! This is a good thing. A very, very good thing. And during the course of the game, I can relax and forget about how nutsy people are. That, too, is a good thing.

Nessajja

Jun 23, 2015

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#743

If you're nutsy, you see everyone through nutsy eyes.

Ain't that so, bang bangs ?

The_Ghostess_Lola

Jun 23, 2015

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#744

Ahhh, are you talking about Fairy Chess ?....there Harvey ?

And BTW, feel free to criticize....but they're the one's who are gonna live in it....not you.

YKW ?....I think you need to calm down.

Harvey_Wallbanger

Jun 23, 2015

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#745

Gouryella wrote:

If you're nutsy, you see everyone through nutsy eyes.

Ain't that so, bang bangs ?

You are claiming not to be nutsy? Prove it.

Harvey_Wallbanger

Jun 23, 2015

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#746

Lala, where's my pizza!

Nessajja

Jun 23, 2015

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#747

the proof is in the pudding, not in the pizza.

popkorn51

Jun 23, 2015

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#748

Bobby enjoyed a bowl of spaghetti.

Harvey_Wallbanger

Jun 23, 2015

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#749

Lala has been eating too much pizza...and spaghetti:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEntZUx24s8

Nessajja

Jun 23, 2015

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#750

How come you called yourself Harvey instead of Woody ?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=11EFq0lyAv8

yureesystem

Jun 23, 2015

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#751

dashkee94 wrote:

I've been following this thread for a while without chiming in because I have seen too many Fischer threads on this site, and they are normally "Fischer is the greatest" or "Fischer is a bust." This thread has the unique characteristic of being a critique on Fischer's creativity, saying he had little if any of it, and that he was just a super-technician (compared to Tal). OK, let's look at that. By the OP's definition of creativity (unclear sacrifices that may/may not be sound), the only one who measures up is Nezhmetdinov--no problem with that; the OP's definition is met here. But that means Petrosian, Reshevsky, Smyslov, Karpov, all of them were not creative--something I simply cannot accept. These players showed tremendous creativity in their careers, but a much deeper creativity than just in an attack--they creativily took advantage of their opponents play. Being able to exploit the weakness of the other guys play is the definition of creative play, and those I mentioned, plus Bobby, were outstanding in this field. You simply cannot become the world's number one without it. Creativity is not confined to flashy attacks and unsound sacs (what Alekhine called "trinkets and baubles"), there is a deeper meaning to creativity that strong players understand: the ability to overcome a strong player's ideas. Tal had that, to be sure; but so did Bobby, Spassky, Petrosian, Karpov, Anand, and--without doubt--Carlsen. Though Karpov and Carlsen may seen "dry" or "boring" the ability to dominate their opponents cannot be done merely through technique, it requires the ability understand all the features in a given position and to expand on them creativily--and Magnus (though I am not really a fan of his) is the best ever at doing this. Magnus is the heir apparent to Bobby here, and the deceptive dryness of his play shows little creativity to the untrained eye, but ask the players he faces and they'll tell you a different story--he can create winning chances out of thin air. To create something out of nothing is the essance of creativity, and Bobby had that in spades. As far as Bobby not having any lines named after him--well, one of the most creative players of the last 20 years is Ivanchuk, and he has no variations named after him. That doesn't matter, he is still a creative genius. And as for Bohemian chess, the greatest (in my opinion) Bohemian player was Steinitz, and I quote--"An unsound sacrifice fills me with artistic horror." Is there any Fischer game that that can be said about? Sorry, but I cannot agree with the OP here, on any level--if you just define trinkets and baubles as the essance of creativity, then I feel sorry for you, as you are missing so much creative play in this game by so many creative players--but if that is your definition of creativity, then , of course, you are right. But I feel that my defintion is a bit more precise, and as such I cannot agree with you--you are extremely limited in your definition of creativity. And, as a muscian and a writer, I can tell you first-hand, limits are not for artists.

What Dashkee94 wrote is so accurate and well stated, he speak like a chess player a lot knowledge. If Lola cannot understand this clear explanation, she just refuse to be objective and that make her disgenuous.

yureesystem

Jun 23, 2015

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#752

The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

Magnus probably is BF thru mytempsychoses !....MC took the world title from VA in a similar blase fashion like BF did against BS. And I'm sure world chess woulda regrouped after his win 1972 win....and BF would have been worked....worked good. Just like MC is being worked right now in the 2015 Norway spectacle....as we speak ! [2.5/7] The other players are successfully adjusting. It's happening right before your very eyeballs. Think dashkee....Think !

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....And as for Bohemian chess, the greatest (in my opinion) Bohemian player was Steinitz, and I quote--"An unsound sacrifice fills me with artistic horror." Is there any Fischer game that that can be said about?

Brute force, purely sound sacrifices aren't really sacrifices at all ! Can you not see that brute force chess is really not creative ? You said it yourself....it's a technician's play.

Okay. Here's another way....is a computer capable of bohemian chess play ?

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"Rocksolid water-impenetrable chess may not a Bohemian player make."

You're glitching the same way so many others have....you are mistakedly parallelling past world title holders w/ creativity. It's just not true ! They are not dependent entities !

Sigh! You spoke like a non-chess player, not rely on knowledge but feelings. Chess is not base on feeling but knowledge and creativity, a lack of chess knowledge makes you a patzer. I am no fan of Carlsen but because he has one bad result doesn't mean the end of his chess career. Magnus wil adjust and find the area he needs to improve. Your opinion on his bad result is his lack of aggressiveness in his chess play, some his loses or draws is because he is trying to be creative, there is one game if Carlsen played safe would of won but he sacrifice not fully calculating all the candidate moves, on blind faith he will outplay his opponent but they drew. You really don't understand chess at all but speak according to your opinions and feeling, no evidences to back up your argument. It make you dishonest and disgenuous. It sadden me because it could of been beneficial to everyone if the every opinions and disagree would come to mutual and agreeable conclusion; that creativity can be many forms and not one narrow definition which is yours.

The_Ghostess_Lola

Jun 23, 2015

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#753

Wow....I sure got told off there........

Nessajja

Jun 23, 2015

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#754

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yKf9bhXMbU

yureesystem

Jun 23, 2015

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#755

Lol Gouryella, you are very funny. Yes, you can feel a move if it is correct, but that comes with experience and develop intuition. I would add you play very well, and some your games have nice feel for the position, you have chess talent.

yureesystem

Jun 23, 2015

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#756

No Lola, I didn't mean to tell you off, just be objective and not be narrow in your views.

Nessajja

Jun 23, 2015

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#757

I just blast away, very little thinking, ooooh that piece would be good there wuhoooooo!

yureesystem

Jun 23, 2015

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#758

lol Gouryella, Capablanca had the same feeling, I place my knight there and all the sudden he wins. You have a great sense of humor, that is good thing in chess and life.

Harvey_Wallbanger

Jun 23, 2015

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#759

The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

Wow....I sure got told off there........

Yeah. But, Lala...you need to calm down. Elroch, too.

Harvey_Wallbanger

Jun 23, 2015

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#760

Gorey_yellow: "How come you called yourself Harvey instead of Woody ?"

Yes, yes, I get a woody but the name is Harvey Wallbanger. Here is why:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUtPdZe44Es

Note: I hate these "sissy boy" drinks. I'll have Scotch on the rocks.