Bobby Fischer vs Paul Morphy

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SonOfThunder2

Fischer - 9

Morphy - 18

Hmmmm

1Nh31-0
SonOfThunder2 wrote:

Top 50 Strongest Ever:

  • 1: Ponomariov
  • 2: Euwe
  • 3: Alekhine
  • 4(tie): J. Polgar
  • 4(tie): Karjakin
  • 5: Giri
  • 6: Kasparov
  • 7: Carlsen
  • 8: Anand
  • 9: Fischer
  • 10: Tal
  • 11: Petrosian
  • 12: Botvinnik
  • 13: Lasker
  • 14: Capablanca
  • 15: Smyslov
  • 16: Korchnoi
  • 17: Keres
  • 18: Morphy
  • 19: Sokolov
  • 20: Steinitz
  • 21: Stein
  • 22: Staunton
  • 23: Aronian
  • 24: Karpov
  • 25: Nimzovich
  • 26: Shirov
  • 27: Serper
  • 28: Topalov
  • 29: Rubenstein
  • 30: Spassky
  • 31: Chajes
  • 32: Larsen
  • 33: Schlecter
  • 34: Junge
  • 35: Bogoljubov
  • 36: Flohr
  • 37: Bronstein
  • 38: Polguevsky
  • 39: So
  • 40: Caruana
  • 41: Vachier-Lagrave
  • 42: Svidler
  • 43: Nakamura
  • 44: Philidor
  • 45: Harikrishna
  • 46: S. Polgar
  • 47: Nepomniachtchi
  • 48: J. Xiong
  • 49: Adams
  • 50: Ivanchuk

What do you mean by strongest?

urk
LMAO!!

Where did that idiotic list come from? Source?
Crazychessplaya

Maybe it's "in no particular order"??

Dodger111
SonOfThunder2 wrote:

Fischer.  Morphy was rated like 2400 by todays standards

Chessmetrics puts Morphy at 2700 plus. 

http://chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/PlayerProfile.asp?Params=199510SSSSS3S088959000000111000000000019610100

1Nh31-0

 wow! according to Chessmetrics, Morphy has even a higher rating then Fischer.

kindaspongey

It should be remembered that, with the current state of flux capacitor technology, there is no way to test theories about what would happen if a player were transported through time. One does not get a guarantee of accuracy from the crunching of a lot of numbers.

"... Morphy became to millions ... the greatest chess master of all time. But if we examine Morphy's record and games critically, we cannot justify such extravaganza. And we are compelled to speak of it as the Morphy myth. ... [Of the 55 tournament and match games, few] can by any stretch be called brilliant. ... He could combine as well as anybody, but he also knew under what circumstances combinations were possible - and in that respect he was twenty years ahead of his time. ... [Morphy's] real abilities were hardly able to be tested. ... We do not see sustained masterpieces; rather flashes of genius. The titanic struggles of the kind we see today [Morphy] could not produce because he lacked the opposition. ... Anderssen could attack brilliantly but had an inadequate understanding of its positional basis. Morphy knew not only how to attack but also when - and that is why he won. ... Even if the myth has been destroyed, Morphy remains one of the giants of chess history. ..." - GM Reuben Fine

It is perhaps worthwhile to keep in mind that, in 1858, the chess world was so amazingly primitive that players still thought tournaments were a pretty neat idea.

 urk wrote:

... "Paul Morphy was perhaps the most accurate player who ever lived. In a set match he could beat any player alive."
- Bobby Fischer

Anyone think that they know of a GM who has expressed the view, within the last 60 years, that we should believe Fischer?

"Lasker ... didn't understand positional chess." - another Fischer quote from around the same time.

SonOfThunder2
urk wrote:
LMAO!!

Where did that idiotic list come from? Source?

It's a mock list dude.  You did notice that Ponomariov was first, right?  Any list that says that is completly false

urk
Lasker was frequently scrambling and relying on his tremendous tactical resourcefulness to get him out of trouble.
I think Fischer makes a valid point.
kindaspongey

"Misunderstood Genius" - title of a chapter in a 2014 book about Lasker's games by GM John Nunn

1Nh31-0
kindaspongey wrote:

"Misunderstood Genius" - title of a chapter in a 2014 book about Lasker's games by GM John Nunn

avertisement?

wfloh
Morphy peaked at 2400?! OMG! Modern grandmasters peaked at late thirties/ early forties, but for reasons unknown, Morphy peaked at age 20 after 3 yrs of competitive chess. Err no... i don't think it works that way... might be more accurate to say Morphy started his adult chess playing career at 2800. He had a good 10, 20yrs to get even better!
Rat1960

Morphy run out players to play. Fischer decided chess was exhausted. In this parallel world you would have to give Morphy a sight of Fischer's game for a year.
My belief is Fischer would have won based on there being no evidence that Morphy really prepared for strong match play where as we know Fischer did.

kindaspongey

"... Emanuel Lasker ... played essentially correct positional chess, ... his signature blend of complex tactics and strategy, and his passionate, all-out fighting style, with psychology playing an important but subordinate role, has become and remains a model for us all to aspire to in the no-holds barred, total chess times that we have inherited in the 21st century. ..." - IM Craig Pritchard (2011)

1Nh31-0
SonOfThunder2 wrote:
urk wrote:
LMAO!!

Where did that idiotic list come from? Source?

It's a mock list dude.  You did notice that Ponomariov was first, right?  Any list that says that is completly false

Is this to trick people into believing you? Not very convicing

josephyossi
Crazychessplaya wrote:

Fischer no doubt.

yeaha

1Nh31-0

it would be close

 

ParaisoTropical
SonOfThunder2 escribió:

Top 50 Strongest Ever:

  • 1: Ponomariov
  • 2: Euwe
  • 3: Alekhine
  • 4(tie): J. Polgar
  • 4(tie): Karjakin
  • 5: Giri
  • 6: Kasparov
  • 7: Carlsen
  • 8: Anand
  • 9: Fischer
  • 10: Tal
  • 11: Petrosian
  • 12: Botvinnik
  • 13: Lasker
  • 14: Capablanca
  • 15: Smyslov
  • 16: Korchnoi
  • 17: Keres
  • 18: Morphy
  • 19: Sokolov
  • 20: Steinitz
  • 21: Stein
  • 22: Staunton
  • 23: Aronian
  • 24: Karpov
  • 25: Nimzovich
  • 26: Shirov
  • 27: Serper
  • 28: Topalov
  • 29: Rubenstein
  • 30: Spassky
  • 31: Chajes
  • 32: Larsen
  • 33: Schlecter
  • 34: Junge
  • 35: Bogoljubov
  • 36: Flohr
  • 37: Bronstein
  • 38: Polguevsky
  • 39: So
  • 40: Caruana
  • 41: Vachier-Lagrave
  • 42: Svidler
  • 43: Nakamura
  • 44: Philidor
  • 45: Harikrishna
  • 46: S. Polgar
  • 47: Nepomniachtchi
  • 48: J. Xiong
  • 49: Adams
  • 50: Ivanchuk

 

Ponomariov?? jajaja you have to see Morphy and Capablanca´s Games

1Nh31-0

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JamieDelarosa

Fischer had kidney failure.