Calculation ability is 100% genetic

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DrSpudnik

Is the OP a sperg? Undecided

yureesystem

Calculation is a lot more than see ahead, it is pattern recognition, organizing your thoughts and asking questions, like what is my opponent threats, in position what is the proper course (planning) and pieces should I keep and what I exchamge. Everyone can see three moves ahead, the problem is a player is not asking questions and organizing their thoughts, like candidate moves ( this takes experience and understanding in a position), one should at least try for three candidate moves in a position but with practice one can be decent calculator.  The problem is not trying to force yourself to calculate, it is a lot easier to play by instinct and just move, most move are one move threats without any plan or players are one trick pony ( attacking the king always), so without chess knowledge we get stuck our follies. Chess is more than pure calculation, it requires chess knowledge to make the best decision in a position and then we can analyze the best move in a position.

mcostan

he just joined yesterday. no games.

DrSpudnik

He played 33 games now. Happy?

thegreat_patzer

of course "blindfold chess" is genetic (duh!), cuz each and every last relative of the mighty capablanca can , annoyingly, do flawless blindfold chess.  its actually ripe annoying.  

"OLE frank!"

"Manual, you know I've been thinking about 15. b5 ALL DAY!  it think its 15 moves to checkmate"

"mmm. sorry amigos I really gotta go!" 

if you don't have the bloodline of a great chess master.  you have no hope in this game!  do your geneaology FIRST, then perhaps you should get intersted in chess!!!

SmyslovFan
Inatehiggers wrote:

Lets face it there's no way to learn to play blindfold (which is directly correlated with calculation ability). You either can or can't. And if you can't calculate properly then you can't find the best moves. I've been playing chess and doing tactics since I was kid and I never got better at calculating.

I guess I'll never be able to compete against 2000+ rated spergs because they can move little pieces in their head better than me, oh well.

I disagree with the first sentence. I can teach almost anyone to play blindfold if they really want to. Blindfold chess isn't as magical or as difficult as the OP suggests.

oyveyshlemiel
SmyslovFan

I disagree with the first sentence. I can teach almost anyone to play blindfold if they really want to. Blindfold chess isn't as magical or as difficult as the OP suggests.

Smyslov Fan can you teach me to play blindfold chess as I have been trying but have had trouble with it

adumbrate

Just learn more chess, then it will come by itself

Burgerboy420
Veganomnomnom wrote:

I learned to play blindfold chess when I was in high school. It's not only trainable, it's actually easy to learn. I was rated about 900 but could play complete blindfold games. My friends in chess club were also able to do this.

It helps to think about changes instead of focusing on remembering the whole position. Like if someone plays g3, Bg2, Nf3, O-O you should know that structure without having to think about it.

I assure you that it's not trainable, alot of people find it difficult to even visualize two kings and some pawns after years of playing chess. I hope you realize that you just proved my point though.

Burgerboy420
zborg wrote:
clockblockerz wrote:

just go back to your wanking

dont think no one has figured out what your usename means

Someone should report the OP's username to the Mods.

They will delete this subtle, but THOROUGHLY nasty, thread.

There's nothing nasty about this thread, I'm just telling the truth bud. I changed my name, happy racist?

u0110001101101000
Burgerboy420 wrote:
Veganomnomnom wrote:

I learned to play blindfold chess when I was in high school. It's not only trainable, it's actually easy to learn. I was rated about 900 but could play complete blindfold games. My friends in chess club were also able to do this.

It helps to think about changes instead of focusing on remembering the whole position. Like if someone plays g3, Bg2, Nf3, O-O you should know that structure without having to think about it.

I assure you that it's not trainable, alot of people find it difficult to even visualize two kings and some pawns after years of playing chess. I hope you realize that you just proved my point though.

To "prove" your point you need a few billion examples.

To disprove your idea is as easy as providing one example.

weggman

I think the OP is an elitist troll. Or maybe just not trainable in blindfold chess?

Burgerboy420
yureesystem wrote:

Calculation is a lot more than see ahead, it is pattern recognition, organizing your thoughts and asking questions, like what is my opponent threats, in position what is the proper course (planning) and pieces should I keep and what I exchamge. Everyone can see three moves ahead, the problem is a player is not asking questions and organizing their thoughts, like candidate moves ( this takes experience and understanding in a position), one should at least try for three candidate moves in a position but with practice one can be decent calculator.  The problem is not trying to force yourself to calculate, it is a lot easier to play by instinct and just move, most move are one move threats without any plan or players are one trick pony ( attacking the king always), so without chess knowledge we get stuck our follies. Chess is more than pure calculation, it requires chess knowledge to make the best decision in a position and then we can analyze the best move in a position.

You're confusing calculation with tactics, calculation is just moving pieces in your head and being able to see the position. I never said chess was pure calculation, but if you can't calculate you can't play accurately, it's that simple.

weggman

I think chess is more instict. You may have calculations but unless you are genetically predisposed toward photographic memory, etc. you will not notice all the permutations during middle game.

I think the best player is, like in everything, a balanaced individual. Tactics should be calculated and calculations should be given a bigger picture than the numbers.

mdinnerspace

The answer will surprise you. Nothing to do with calculation. I knew Igor Ivanov. He could remember every game and move he played. The answer is a photographic memory. Many people are blessed with the ability, playing blindfolded comes easy to chess players that posses the ability. The ability has different degrees of developement. I agree, with training 1 game of blindfold could be played to maybe 30 moves by all. Many top players posses a photographic memory at some level.

mdinnerspace

Anyone seen exibitions by George Koltenowsky? I'm sure I misspelled the last name. He did 60 game exhibitions.

mdinnerspace

Yes. No magic pill.

kco
Veganomnomnom wrote:

I have a terrible memory and I can still play blindfold chess. It's a matter of pattern recognition, which is a trainable skill.

+1 agreed.

weggman
MorraMeister wrote:

disagree with the OP. many years ago when I started playing competitve chess I would close my eyes and see nothing. many years later I could close my eyes and see nothing but "play" someone blindfold because I knew the geometric connections and names of the squares. later I could close my eyes and start to see the "auras" of the pieces even though they would sometimes get jumbled in my head. nowadays I can close my eyes and see the pieces and succesfully play two or three games simul. just not really strong players. 

 

I believe the brain has an amazing ability to adapt. 

This sounds about right.

jambyvedar2

@OP- Try to search for the stepping stone tecqnique by GM Tishdall. He trains his students using this method to improve their calculation.