Can a chess player become IM in his thirties?

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I was curious to know if a person who plays chess and know about it since childhood can become an IM in his thirties..?

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I think so, depends how much somebody really wants to improve: a lot of training, a very good coach, and a little bit talent, and money for everything, also to pay travels and hotels mad tournament fees. I guess most of us would after a couple of months think "what I am doing here?" and go back to normal life. But it would be an interesting experiment to do this let's say for one year and afterwards write a book, together with a GM. The book could get a bestseller if the player went say from 1300 to 2150 in this time. As I said, the huge effort would only make sense if the goal it not just to get a title, it's not enough to keep motivated.
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Torrubirubu.....yeah ..we may need to spend in lots of money on coaches,resources because in thirties our mind is not as sharp as it was at our teen-age.

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It's very possible to become an IM in your 30s... as long as you were a very strong FM at 15 it's not a problem wink.png

If you're 30 years old and near beginner level, then it is impossible. It doesn't matter if you have 10 coaches and study for 16 hours a day. You are definitely better than a beginner, but IMO your ratings are still near beginner level.

Beginners will tell you it's possible to be an IM (or even GM) because they don't know anything about skill in chess. A little harsh, but there's your answer.

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If you really set the goal to become an International Master no matter what, then if you work really hard I would say 10 years time it's very possible.

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good question , i hope you have time to read the following link , this chess club mainly works with juniors in chess but as you will see many now are playing for the country and not just in their region , have they created IMs ? yes and continue to do so ,

http://www.3cschess.moonfruit.com/#/about-us/4570973266

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from their present members (many under 30 )

http://www.3cschess.moonfruit.com/#/players/4571067514

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                  (1) = 1st team, (2) = 2nd team,  etc


DIVISION A CHAMPIONS
1995 (1)   2001 (2)   2002 (1)   2003 (1)   2004 (1)   2006 (1)
2007 (1)   2008 (1)   2009 (1)   2010 (1)   2011 (1)   2013 (1)
2014 (1)   2015 (1)   2016 (1)   2017 (1)

DIVISION B CHAMPIONS
1989 (1)   1994 (2)   1997 (2)   2000 (2)   2010 (2)   2012 (2)
2015 (2)   2017 (2)  
they have one heck of a trophy cabinet ,

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funding wise 3cs receive aid from the Education dept this helps with many costs and allows those they are training up to focus on the chess and not the wallet,

this investment is paying rich reward in the talented squad they field ,

you may notice some are graded 200 + ecf , at 240+ ecf they are entitled to be called gms

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so yeah , a chess player can become an im before 30 , hope this helps and inspires

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Finegold became a GM in his 40s and wrote a book about it.

But as a young man he was already an IM. You can't begin chess at 40 and become a GM. It is impossible.

(Maybe it is possible with some extremely rare, 1 in 100 million, brain defect that somehow helps a person learn chess.)

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the key is investment , look to how the USSR made chess their national game , how much did they invest ? loads , and it rightly created grand master after grand master ,

India especially following the surge in chess inspired by Vishy now sees so many playing the game , invest , watch them grow ,

you could do this without a dedicated set up of chess federations putting their resources into it and doing it all yourself , that gave the world Bobby Fischer , but for a steady stream of masters i reckon state investment is the key

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ANOK1 wrote:

the key is investment , look to how the USSR made chess their national game , how much did they invest ? loads , and it rightly created grand master after grand master ,

India especially following the surge in chess inspired by Vishy now sees so many playing the game , invest , watch them grow ,

you could do this without a dedicated set up of chess federations putting their resources into it and doing it all yourself , that gave the world Bobby Fischer , but for a steady stream of masters i reckon state investment is the key

Yes, governments who educate millions in chess produce a few GMs... and millions of non-GMs wink.png

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If u already have two IM Norms, and a rating over 2400, I don’t see what the problem is.
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sammy introduce at early age , see who has a chess mind , they are the ones you coach in a chess setting by masters or even grand masters , the returns for this are good in the amount of players this produces , if you consistently win a top regional division over a long period (see above 3cs div a for example ) then you can see the rewards ,,,, for the original of this chess schooling look no further than this though

http://en.chessbase.com/post/enter-the-secret-archives-of-the-ruian-che-school

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It's obvious that if you take a young child "who has a chess mind" and give them professional coaches for many years, that they will become a great player.

The OP is an average person i.e. crap at chess, and already 30 years old.

It's like saying Helen Keller could pain the Mona Lisa if she bought an expensive brush lol.

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thankfully cc recognise this and have dedicated groups for the juniors here with coaching via question or vid , in an enviorment where the juniors feel free to explore and enjoy learning the game , so kudos to cc for that

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A future professional will not be doing serious training at chess.com lol happy.png

This website is good, but it's just for fun.

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can a ,,,, not can i , so yes a chess player can , Frendu may be older than 30 but Frendu didnt ask about themself in the question , you make a good point though

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Kim Peek's brain was physiologically different. Missing his corpus callosum, the two hemispheres of his brain didn't communicate as they do in normal people.

When he read books, he could read the left page with his left eye while at the same time reading the right page with his right eye. He read very fast, finishing books in under an hour, and everything he read he immediately memorized, and never forgot over his whole life.

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This is to say, a person with an abnormal brain could do amazing things. Lets say there's some abnormality that helps a person with chess (not with memorization like the late Mr Peek). Such a person might go from beginner to IM starting at age 30.

But it is IMPOSSIBLE for everyone else. It doesn't matter if you have 100 coaches and study 16 hours a day. If you are close to a beginner at age 30, you will never be an IM, period.