Can a chess.com staff please draw this game???

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_Number_6
bb_gum234 wrote:.

No, if some idiot at a tournament was playing on in a pawnless Q vs Q game, you could have the TD declare it a draw due to insufficient losing chances.

Likely no opponent would be this rude though.

A TD could declare the game drawn but he woud be in violation of the laws of chess and quite wrong.

Ref: https://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=171&view=article

Article 5.2.b The game is drawn when a position has arisen in which neither player can checkmate the opponent’s king with any series of legal moves. The game is said to end in a ‘dead position’. This immediately ends the game, provided that the move producing the position was in accordance with Article 3 and Articles 4.2 – 4.7.

It is of course possible to checkmate an opponent's king with a K&Q.  I'm sure worse blunders have been made, even in recent memory.  Players are free to play terrible chess within the constraints of the tournament.  It is not the arbiter's job to pass judgement.  Their job is to enforce the rules.

_Number_6
bb_gum234 wrote:

Yes, it definitely qualifies. What is the phrasing... if a C class player could draw a GM, something like that. And not only could a 1500 rated player draw this vs Carlsen, I'm pretty sure I could teach a toddler to draw this against Carlsen... you could practically teach a monkey to draw this against Carlsen.

Not unheard of for amateurs to get skwered? Never mind that claim, show me even 1 Q vs Q pawnless game where the players didn't instantly agree to a draw.

 

No, it does not.  The phrasing is quite simple:  The game is drawn when a position has arisen in which neither player can checkmate the opponent’s king with any series of legal moves

It is immaterial what the ratings are of the players.  It is pretty common for U1300's to not know the position is theoretically drawn.  There is a reasonable chance that they might not know any position besides KvsK is a dead draw.  If you happen to be playing someone who knows less about drawn positions, don't be a loser with hurt feelings.  Just knuckle down and play the game.  As this game shows, It must resolve itself.

The topic of courtesy came up.  My personal take on it and my practice is to offer a draw once when I see it is dead drawn.  If they decline, I'll play it out till the game is concluded or they offer me a draw in a still drawn position.  

In this ending that offer would have come around move 46 but certainly no later than 55.  If my opponent didn't accept, oh well.  It wouldn't be the first refusal in the history of chess. 

dowager

ThIs complaint is clearly hilarious as I could not find where on the application to accept your draw. I received an email that you offered a draw, but could not accept it. Seeing how indignant you are is quite funny as your proud attitude definitely show in the way you played the game. Thanks, just don't challenge me again.

dowager

And I had 70 games going when I was playing you. Even then you can only draw with me?

Rosenbalm
dowager wrote:

And I had 70 games going when I was playing you. Even then you can only draw with me?

If you had 70 games going and still don't know where to accept the draw, perhaps you shouldn't be insinuating that I'm the incompetant one. I made a few blunders and saved the game.

You're the one who should hang your head in shame. Your position was objectively winning and you drew.

dowager

If you learn how to spell incompetent, that might really help.

Rosenbalm
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Rosenbalm

Actually, you know what, I apologize. Looking things over I kinda came off as arrogant and people don't like arrogance. I had been experiencing a run of people not accepting draws in obviously drawn situations and was sort of sick of it. I still think that's a character problem in most situations but I guess it is their right. But if you say that the problem in your case was technical then I don't really have a reason not to believe it. So I'm sorry for being insulting. Good game.

JerryKasporav

You should be banned for discussing a game in progress, Rosenbalm.

Rosenbalm
JerryKasporav wrote:

You should be banned for discussing a game in progress, Rosenbalm.

Well. If the mods think it's ban worthy then I guess I'll be banned. I'm not banned yet. And my intention wasn't to discuss a game in progress. If what I did was wrong all I can do is apologize and not do it again.

Rosenbalm

So there. I've apologized twice. I take it this thread is over unless someone really just wants to pile it on.

dowager

I accept your apology.

Rosenbalm
dowager wrote:

I accept your apology.

Thanks. I thought for a while and realized you could very well be telling the truth. I've had trouble myself with the layout. And even so it was your right to continue.

_Number_6
bb_gum234 wrote:
_Number_6 wrote:

There happens to be more than one rule in chess. It's nice you quoted one, but there are others lol.

As an easy exception, one which I'm sure you're aware, the draw by 50 move rule, even if you're 1 move away from mate, it's a draw.

What I'm talking about in this topic is claiming a draw due to insufficient losing chances in a real tournament game.

Yes on websites with really weak players who will play K vs K for 1000 moves like morons this rule may not be helpful.

Yes, there is more than one rule in chess. I referenced the applicable one here.

50 move rule did not apply yet.  I'm sure they exist, but I know of no game that went 50 moves without a pawn being captured or moved that did not resolve itself into insufficent material or agreed draw first. 

If you can quote any handbook or FIDE laws of chess with a rule that states a game is drawn with "insufficient losing chances" then I am all ears.  Certainly that rule does not exist in CFC, USCF, or FIDE so my guess is you are simply making up suggested rules because you could not be bothered to play out within the established rules or agreed time controls.

RonaldJosephCote

                                     

_Number_6

Sure:

7. (FIDE) A player with less than two minutes remaining on the clock may claim a draw under Article 10.2 (the vague equivalent of USCF rule 14H, "insufficient losing chances"), even if there is a delay or increment. The player may claim a draw based on the opponent not making any attempt to win the game by normal means. The arbiter's ruling on such a claim is final and is not subject to appeal. USCF rule 14H (insufficient losing chances) does not apply if the game is played with a properly set delay or increment capable clock

Oh, you got me...  with a rule not relevant to this situation.  This is simply a rule against running the clock down when your opponent is in time trouble.