Can I become a WGM if I say I am transgender?

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EdgaTroll

HAHAHA Darth was just destroyed by a child.  And he keeps trying to rebut but he cannot refute the logic.  To paraphrase Darth: "Dictionaries don't define words" HAHAHAHAHAHHAA LOL! Arguing semantics to divert potential onlookers from true logic.  HA! It's like watching a bug squirm, laughable at best.  Stick to chess Darth, at least that is something you might be able to improve.

*Drops Mic*

Samaritaine

What an interesting question... And to think about the upcoming discussion on "Are transgender women weaker than transgender men at chess?" really excites me!

A transgender is a transgender and not a woman. I propose the title transgender GM (TGGM) as being the correct one. Reaching the norm in that league would also be significantly easier! Can't wait for the TGGM WCh match: Ploook vs Justine Bieber. Laughing

thegreat_patzer

in general, I try to be sensitive to people like those who (like those who are transgender) are different and might have obstacles that I have not faced.

I'm kind of put off by the jokes (this IS cc, I know).  I think the OP was being insensitive about it as well... but is that really an excuse?

thegreat_patzer

@nobody as to the broader question of whether differences should create New titles?  of course not, but FIDE has made a Gender specific set of titles- and such a Male or Female view of people is off...

I think a trans person , if he/she were comfortable with it (and strong enough to earn it) should have full access to the WFM, WIM, WGM titles...

there's lots of differences that FIDE doesn't create titles for. 

Nikprit

This reminds me of  something which happened at the office recently. A man named Bob started taking hormone pills & had applied for a sex change. Six months later Bob walks in with a dress on, a wig, makeup & demands to be called Christine. Everytime someone calls him Bob there is a high pitched put on voice that reminds the whole office it is not Bob, it is 'Christine'.

 Christine then demands to want to use the ladies bathroom. The men didn't mind at all, but then the ladies were very upset with a man in a dress in their bathroom. So Bob/Christine ended back in the male bathroom, which the men then protested about. 

It then became a campaign for Christine to use the ladies bathroom once again. 

At about the 8th month stage of this charade, everyone was quite relieved to see Bob or Christine get the sack. You soon realised that the high drama and attension seeking was rather wearing to say the least.

Except for Bob/ Christine of course, it was about the only time in his/her life that they had got any attension whatsoever. 

Samaritaine

Of course Patzer is right: let's try stay politically correct, boring as that may be. Just in case though, if the Transgenderchessworldchampionship really would take place I really hope Chris Rock will provide the commenting!

nobodyreally
thegreat_patzer wrote:

@nobody as to the broader question of whether differences should create New titles?  of course not, but FIDE has made a Gender specific set of titles- and such a Male or Female view of people is off...

I think a trans person , if he/she were comfortable with it (and strong enough to earn it) should have full access to the WFM, WIM, WGM titles...

there's lots of differences that FIDE doesn't create titles for. 

 

My personal opinion is that FIDE should get rid of all titles below GM. When I became FM there were only about 1200-1500 title holders worldwide. (guessing, couldn't immediately find the stats)

Now there must me tens of thousands. It lost all meaning.

And I've always been opposed to separate women titles and tournaments. (in chess)

There are women who make decent money playing chess whom I could beat blindfolded any day.

thegreat_patzer

well, ok but keep in mind samaritaine (whom you quoted) was clearly joking about it.

Nobody (No, Not you either.lol) is seriously proposing seperate titles for trans people.

the only SERIOUS question is whether a person who feels that he/she is NEITHER male or female- should be able to apply to the womens title (and their tournaments).

my feeling is that a very strong TRANS chessplayer would pose quite a challenge to "womens chess" IF he/she wanted to press the issue.

-----Thats a more interesting question than yet another thread, complaining about womens titles/tournaments.  (which has been beaten to horsemeat).

nobodyreally

@ TGP

Of course I knew Samaritaine was joking. So was I.

And for the matter at hand. I really couldn't care less since I feel... (see above).

If they feel they are female, have the sex change and what not, let them play and if possible get the title.

But seriously. Where does it start and end? Living like a woman? Growing breasts? Genitalia?  Does a woman IM/GM lose her title if she has a female to male transition?

etc. etc.

I say, get rid of all these titles (mine included). Only GM-title's !

thegreat_patzer

get rid of titles Has been beaten to horsemeat in other threads... but perhaps, I am interested in asking-

do you really feel you title is meaningless?  my understanding of titles was that there was an accomplishment that helps you get noticed and get funding for more serious chess tournaments.

finding serious chess tournaments at your level Can't be cheap.. and isn't there other expenses like coaching with GM level players that are hard to pay for?

Darth_Algar
EdgaTroll wrote:

HAHAHA Darth was just destroyed by a child.  And he keeps trying to rebut but he cannot refute the logic.  To paraphrase Darth: "Dictionaries don't define words" HAHAHAHAHAHHAA LOL! Arguing semantics to divert potential onlookers from true logic.  HA! It's like watching a bug squirm, laughable at best.  Stick to chess Darth, at least that is something you might be able to improve.

*Drops Mic*

I did not say "dictionaries don't define words", I'd said dictionaries don't often account for the fluid nature of language. You might understand the difference if you were but a little bit more clever.

But then why am I even bothering to respond to someone who announces themself, via their username, as a troll?

nobodyreally

@ TGP Unnecessary to mention this twice. Just about every subject has been beaten to horsemeat by now.

Like I said before. When I got mine it meant something. By now you get an FM/IM title as a present when you buy a six-pack in a supermarket.

Funding for IM's and FM's? Minimal at best. Coaching? Never had any.

I was lucky being an OTB blitz and rapid specialist. Made good money doing that. Open/closed normal tournaments I hardly played. Indeed too expensive.

It's all irrelevant to me now. Retired from chess more then a decade ago.

thegreat_patzer

ok.  thanks for your contribution.  thats better than most threads...

EdgaTroll

LOL Darth just lay it down dude, you got owned by a 14 year old, enough said. Attempting to argue semantics in a feeble effort to shoot down a point is best left for politicians, not horrible chess players.  Just face it, YOU GOT OWNED HAHAHHAAHAHAHAHA.

Pulpofeira

My guess is they simply would ignore it.

nobodyreally

IOC rules transgender athletes can take part in Olympics without surgery

Female-to-male athletes can compete ‘without restriction’, while male-to-female athletes must undergo hormone therapy, according to new guidelines

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/25/ioc-rules-transgender-athletes-can-take-part-in-olympics-without-surgery

Pulpofeira

That's the point, hormones are more important than surgery.

batgirl

About 15 years ago I met Angela Alston who was at that time the Texas woman champion. A dozen years prior to that, the San Antonio Club champion was Tony Alston... the same person.  Angela is transgendered and although she doesn't seem to play competitve chess anymore,  neither FIDE nor the USCF ever challenged her right to participate in women-only tournaments, nor was she denied the Texas women's champion title.  This would suggest that FIDE wouldn't deny women's titles to transgendered individuals who meet the necessary criteria.

nobodyreally
batgirl wrote:

About 15 years ago I met Angela Alston who was at that time the Texas woman champion. A dozen years prior to that, the San Antonio Club champion was Tony Alston... the same person.  Angela is transgendered and although she doesn't seem to play competitve chess anymore,  neither FIDE nor the USCF ever challenged her right to participate in women-only tournaments, nor was she denied the Texas women's champion title.  This would suggest that FIDE wouldn't deny women's titles to transgendered individuals who meet the necessary criteria.

Right, that does it! Next Wednesday I'm having a sex change. Finally the GM title. Phew.

mdinnerspace

The real question is..

Tee off from the whites or blues?

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