I'm sorry guys...I don't want to get anyone in trouble.
This is the first game that I thought I might have a fighting chance & havent gotten myself into a pickle right off the bat. I didn't know bouncing ideas around was not allowed during an unofficial game...
It really has nothing to do with "official" or "unofficial" games.
It has to do with the ethics of having someone else tellng you how to win.
Is that what you want? Then why play?
If you want to ask after the game what to do better for next one, go for it.
Some of us feel strongly about it, some don't care if they help people cheat.
How would you feel if you found out that someone was helping your brother beat you?
I feel sorry for you and any of your progeny (look it up) if that is how you feel.
-waller-
I'm aware what progeny means. And it's not how I "feel" - I've posted nothing but facts.
@checklate - You're perfectly fine to bounce ideas around. Normally of course, a game of chess is played in one sitting, without any aids, by unspoken agreement. However, your game seems to be in the middle - how come?
It really has nothing to do with "official" or "unofficial" games.
It has to do with the ethics of having someone else tellng you how to win.
Is that what you want? Then why play?
If you want to ask after the game what to do better for next one, go for it.
Some of us feel strongly about it, some don't care if they help people cheat.
How would you feel if you found out that someone was helping your brother beat you?
I wouldn't ask for advice on any type of ongoing game myself, casual or not. I agree with you that far. But I don't consider it cheating, and I certainly don't feel qualified to judge, given the information available, the ethics of the OP.
It really has nothing to do with "official" or "unofficial" games.
It has to do with the ethics of having someone else tellng you how to win.
Is that what you want? Then why play?
If you want to ask after the game what to do better for next one, go for it.
Some of us feel strongly about it, some don't care if they help people cheat.
How would you feel if you found out that someone was helping your brother beat you?
No, of course that's not what I want. Even if I did, It's not possible for anyone here to tell me exactly "how to win" this game at this point. You can give me all the advice in the world but no one here knows how my brother will choose to react. Correct?
It really has nothing to do with "official" or "unofficial" games.
It has to do with the ethics of having someone else tellng you how to win.
Is that what you want? Then why play?
If you want to ask after the game what to do better for next one, go for it.
Some of us feel strongly about it, some don't care if they help people cheat.
How would you feel if you found out that someone was helping your brother beat you?
No, of course that's not what I want. Even if I did, It's not possible for anyone here to tell me exactly "how to win" this game at this point. You can give me all the advice in the world but no one here knows how my brother will choose to react. Correct?
Not quite. It would be possible to deduce what his good moves are.
Anyone who says he can't be beat deserves to be proven wrong.
***mendez1996
yeah but this game isnt being played on this website so it's all good***
So it is OK for Carlsen to ask advice when he plays Anand since it is not being played on this site?
***Timothy_P
Anyone who says he can't be beat deserves to be proven wrong.***
So join the site (or another), get better and beat him on your (the OPs) own.
Anyone who says he can't be beat deserves to be proven wrong.
This is pretty much my take, having a brother I know how it feels! Think it's a bit much to imply the OP is cheating. The other brother is probably doing analysis on the game with an engine as we speak!
Anyone who says he can't be beat deserves to be proven wrong.
That's something between him and his brother. I doubt he truly believes he can't be beat. It's just trash talking.
Anyone who says he can't be beat deserves to be proven wrong.
That's something between him and his brother. I doubt he truly believes he can't be beat. It's just trash talking.
Clearly, but it can be irritating - sounds like a good beating (in chess of course) would do the power of good!
Anyone who says he can't be beat deserves to be proven wrong.
That's something between him and his brother. I doubt he truly believes he can't be beat. It's just trash talking.
Clearly, but it can be irritating - sounds like a good beating (in chess of course) would do the power of good!
Is it really doing good by cheating against him?
Anyone who says he can't be beat deserves to be proven wrong.
That's something between him and his brother. I doubt he truly believes he can't be beat. It's just trash talking.
Clearly, but it can be irritating - sounds like a good beating (in chess of course) would do the power of good!
Is it really doing good by cheating against him?
Sunshiny, do you have an older brother?
Anyone who says he can't be beat deserves to be proven wrong.
That's something between him and his brother. I doubt he truly believes he can't be beat. It's just trash talking.
Clearly, but it can be irritating - sounds like a good beating (in chess of course) would do the power of good!
Is it really doing good by cheating against him?
Sunshiny, do you have an older brother?
Does it matter? Do i need one to understand the situation? I don't see why since two wrongs don't make a right.
checklat1, others here, such as waller, can give you better advice than I can. Good luck!
You could argue that OP's game with his brother has been adjourned, and that therefore all outside assistance is now allowed.
M_N, you are correct!
Who cares, though? What's the world coming to, when a guy like the OP, who just wants some help with a chess game he's playing so he can stop his brother acting cockily, gets lectured to about his utter lack of morals in doing so.
I'm not trying to trivialise the virtue of ethical behaviour, but please, some people need to relax a little about this.
(for clarification, M_N, most of this post is not aimed at you at all!)
You could argue that OP's game with his brother has been adjourned, and that therefore all outside assistance is now allowed.
"yea I cant really believe your comparing elite world class chess to a friendly relative chess rivalry."
It's been pretty much an unwritten rule for unofficial chess that players shouldn't be getting outside help.
@-waller- Actually, i see it as being uninformed rather than an "utter lack of morals." And i don't think anybody is lecturing as much as making a statement about the situation. One last thing. "Relax?" Really?? Way to make the opposition appear inferior.
Fair enough, Sunshiny, but technically, M_N is actually right - an adjourned OTB game is open to anything, and this can be classified as such - so consultation with other players is fine, even desirable. I do think Rsava is trying to argue on the morality route, as well.
I apologise if my statement that people need to relax a little more made people feel inferior, but it is actually what I think people need to do, myself included perhaps! We've had a three page thread debate on pretty much nothing so far.
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