If you are going to conjure up hypotheticals then the other side can do this as well:
Try buying a dvd and watch it home. You invite some friends over to watch the same dvd with you. Are your friends stealing the movie because they are viewing it?
Can someone please show me where I can watch Pawn Sacrifice online!
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Victimless crimes are hard to care about. The laws protect the industry. If everyone views movies for free, then the industry evolves or dies. Personally I wont shed a tear either way.
This (Pawn Sacrifice) was the first time in... maybe 5 years I paied for movie tickets though.
Here's an easy way to decide if pirating movies (or music or software) is unfair/harmful: just ask yourself what would happen if everyone did it. If everyone pirated movies, how would the actors and other workers get paid? Should we expect these workers to work for free? Do you work for free?
Exactly. If everyone did it, it wouldn't matter. If the world loses its big name movie actors and studios, it won't matter. The art will be expressed through a non-million dollar medium (or a different million dollar medium haha). Actors will have to get real jobs.
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If these poor actors got paid as much as we all did, and sold the dvd for 5 bucks; nobody would steal. But it is never enough for them (or the Studios etc). Their profits have to be in billions.
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It is the same with the banks. Do it until the economy collapses. Where is their FBI warning?
NativeChessMinerals wrote:
Exactly. If everyone did it, it wouldn't matter. If the world loses its big name movie actors and studios, it won't matter. The art will be expressed through a non-million dollar medium (or a different million dollar medium haha). Actors will have to get real jobs.
According to your logic, musicians, book authors, visual artists, photographers, and programmers (anyone who creates digital content) should all work for free or "get real jobs". Do you agree with this? I don't.
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TurboFish wrote:
NativeChessMinerals wrote:
Exactly. If everyone did it, it wouldn't matter. If the world loses its big name movie actors and studios, it won't matter. The art will be expressed through a non-million dollar medium (or a different million dollar medium haha). Actors will have to get real jobs.
According to your logic, musicians, book authors, visual artists, and programmers (anyone who creates digital work) should all work for free or "get real jobs". Do you agree with this? I don't.
They are overcharging. Have you seen the price of school textbooks?
All they see us as is cows to be milked...
Oct 1, 2015
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TurboFish wrote:
Here's an easy way to decide if pirating movies (or music or software) is unfair/harmful: just ask yourself what would happen if everyone did it. If everyone pirated movies, how would the actors and other workers get paid? Should we expect these workers to work for free? Do you work for free?
Are you pirating when you share something? Are you stealing riches through sharing? What if everyone bought things sight unseen? Do you buy things without knowing if they're any good?
Much more realistic questions
Oct 1, 2015
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Texbooks are $200 buck but porn is free. Fast food is $2, joggers $100.
That is how the world is going to get better.
Piracy is expecting artists to work for free. "Get real jobs" as was said above. That makes for poor art and it's culture's loss. I'm not saying big box movies are all great art. Copyright means a lot to me because I work in the music industry. I'm not making it with my own music. I did "get a real job" but also my job would not exist without the industry. Piracy is not a victimless crime.
ProfessorProfesesen wrote:
TurboFish wrote:
NativeChessMinerals wrote:
Exactly. If everyone did it, it wouldn't matter. If the world loses its big name movie actors and studios, it won't matter. The art will be expressed through a non-million dollar medium (or a different million dollar medium haha). Actors will have to get real jobs.
According to your logic, musicians, book authors, visual artists, and programmers (anyone who creates digital work) should all work for free or "get real jobs". Do you agree with this? I don't.
They are overcharging. Have you seen the price of school textbooks?
All they see us as is cows to be milked...
I think my plumber overcharges, so therefore he should work for free?
Why not extend that criteria to all workers? Everyone should work for free because I think everyone charges too much! The excuses become absurd when selfish people try to justify avoiding paying workers for their labor.
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tmkroll wrote:
Piracy is expecting artists to work for free. "Get real jobs" as was said above. That makes for poor art and it's culture's loss. I'm not saying big box movies are all great art. Copyright means a lot to me because I work in the music industry. I'm not making it with my own music. I did "get a real job" but also my job would not exist without the industry. Piracy is not a victimless crime.
And of course you have bought every piece of music you've listened to, correct?
tmkroll wrote:
Piracy is expecting artists to work for free. "Get real jobs" as was said above. That makes for poor art and it's culture's loss. I'm not saying big box movies are all great art. Copyright means a lot to me because I work in the music industry. I'm not making it with my own music. I did "get a real job" but also my job would not exist without the industry. Piracy is not a victimless crime.
A big "just no" to this comment. Don't repeat corporate lies.
trysts wrote:
TurboFish wrote:
Here's an easy way to decide if pirating movies (or music or software) is unfair/harmful: just ask yourself what would happen if everyone did it. If everyone pirated movies, how would the actors and other workers get paid? Should we expect these workers to work for free? Do you work for free?
Are you pirating when you share something? Are you stealing riches through sharing? What if everyone bought things sight unseen? Do you buy things without knowing if they're any good?
Much more realistic questions
"Fair use" laws allows for sharing with a limited number of people IF you bought/rented the digital content in the first place, and IF you are not monetarily profiting from sharing.
It's not complicated. I would say it's "common sense", but that phrase has become an oxymoron since good sense is no longer common amongst large segments of the population. Even the simple Golden Rule we're taught as children gives good guidance here: if you (as an artist/programmer) want to be compensated for your labor, then agree to compensate others for their labor.
TurboFish wrote:
NativeChessMinerals wrote:
Exactly. If everyone did it, it wouldn't matter. If the world loses its big name movie actors and studios, it won't matter. The art will be expressed through a non-million dollar medium (or a different million dollar medium haha). Actors will have to get real jobs.
According to your logic, musicians, book authors, visual artists, photographers, and programmers (anyone who creates digital content) should all work for free or "get real jobs". Do you agree with this? I don't.
Ah, then I don't suggest my logic should be applied anywhere but for movie actors of big name studios 
What I'm saying is the art wont die just because some idiot isn't getting rich off an industry. The industry is artificial and I couldn't care less if it died. The art will always be around.
Seriously incantevoleutopia? I think I know more about what I do for a living and how I feel about it than you.
Trysts was better because I have pirated music before. I will not pirate Pawn Sacrifice however.
Agreed, but viewing is not stealing, either, is it?
Here's how you can try out your theory - Try to enter your local movie theater, and when they ask for your ticket, just tell them, "No thanks, I'm only going to view the movie."
That's walking into the venue where the movie is being shown without paying for the right to be in that venue. It's called "trespassing". Surely, you can do better than that for an analogy:)