Can two chess games be completely similar?

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Amir169

Regardless to early checkmates, I think every finished game is not similar to non of the finished games played before. I have no proof to it!!! Any ideas?

DrSpudnik

There have been GM games that are 100% similar. Often draws.

Amir169

Really? Can you name some?

danplaychess

for example, a draw after 21 moves in the QGD

Amir169

I've been searching on the internet for these kind of games by words like "completely similar games", after all this is a such an important event to be recorded in chess history. But I found nothing. Now, I'm really surprised. Can any body find a link for it?

Thanks.

DefinitelyNotGM

Yes, this was a miniature that I played twice against the same opponent:



sapientdust

There are multiple games that have played out every single move the same for the famous Morphy-Duke of Brunswick game, which ended on move 17. What do you mean by "early checkmate"?

macer75

Also, apparently it is pretty easy to play identical games against the hard computer here, as the recent thread on the subject indicates.

aggressivesociopath

The chess 365 database has 124 games reaching this position. 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Bxc6 dxc6 5. O-O Bg4 6. h3 h5 7. c3 Qd3 8. hxg4 hxg4 9. Nxe5 Bd6 10. Nxd3 Bh2+. In 98 games Kh1 was played, which means 26 were drawn from that position. Countinuing 11. Kh1 Bg3+ reach 69 times and 12. Kh1 was only played 41 times. So yeah, there are a lot of identical games.

Of course a lot of these games are prearranged draws. http://www.365chess.com/search_result.php?search=1&m=23&n=38436&ms=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6.Bb5.a6.Bxc6.dxc6.O-O.Bg4.h3.h5.c3.Qd3.hxg4.hxg4.Nxe5.Bd6.Nxd3.Bh2.Kh1.Bg3.Kg1&wid=11596 and the other way around http://www.365chess.com/search_result.php?search=1&m=23&n=38436&ms=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6.Bb5.a6.Bxc6.dxc6.O-O.Bg4.h3.h5.c3.Qd3.hxg4.hxg4.Nxe5.Bd6.Nxd3.Bh2.Kh1.Bg3.Kg1&wid=11592.

GMVillads

Fx games like 1.d4 d5 2. C4 c6 and draw was agreed!

ViktorHNielsen

This is played 8 times in my database. Some games ended around move 17, others on 15 and so on. But same game



SocialPanda

There are at least 231 equal games with this line OTB:

Sometimes the draw is agreed after Nxd8.

As you can see it´s a perpetual check.

GMVillads

ViktorHNielsen wrote:

This is played 8 times in my database. Some games ended around move 17, others on 15 and so on. But same game

This game make NO sense to me!

ponz111

I do not think "completely similar" is possible.  Two games can be very similar. Or two games can be exactly the same but two games cannot be   completely similar?

Amir169
ponz111 wrote:

I do not think "completely similar" is possible.  Two games can be very similar. Or two games can be exactly the same but two games cannot be   completely similar?

Why isn't "completely similar" possible? what is the diference?

Amir169
sapientdust wrote:

There are multiple games that have played out every single move the same for the famous Morphy-Duke of Brunswick game, which ended on move 17. What do you mean by "early checkmate"?

For example checkmates after 2,3,4 or... moves.

Amir169

Thanks to all.

DrSpudnik
Amir169 wrote:
ponz111 wrote:

I do not think "completely similar" is possible.  Two games can be very similar. Or two games can be exactly the same but two games cannot be   completely similar?

Why isn't "completely similar" possible? what is the diference?

If things are similar, they are like each other but not entirely the same.

"Completely similar" sounds awkward, since the things are not "similar" at all but "identical".

elo123
vill0236 wrote:

ViktorHNielsen wrote:

This is played 8 times in my database. Some games ended around move 17, others on 15 and so on. But same game

 

 

This game make NO sense to me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0Pr3USez5I