Can white draw this?

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Tantale

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No computer please

Math0t

Looks like he can't.

White will have to play 1.Kd6, or else black b-pawn will promote soon. Then black plays 1...Bf5, protecting c8, and 2...Bc8. If white tries to attack the Bishop (via a7 or e7) black plays ...b5 to promote the pawn and ...Bh3 (for example) to protect c8.

Math0t

Are these puzzles from the Timman book you have?

Tantale

No these puzzles come from my page http://www.jmrw.com/Chess/Chess_Curiosities1.htm but are not from Jan Timman.

This one is from Sarychev

White can draw !

FancyKnight
EDIT: Nevermind I'm wrong
Tantale

4...b5!

FancyKnight

oh.. I see...

Math0t
Tantale wrote:

White can draw !

Ouch, gave up to soon and checked with Houdini... White can indeed draw. Don't think I would have found the solution in an OTB game...

FancyKnight
JG27Pyth
pfren wrote:

This is the famous anti-triangular manouvre starting with 1.Kc8!

One can work out the rest.

Oh, one can, can one? 

Kc8 Bf5 Kb7 b5 and ... how is black's pawn stopped? 

I don't have a chessboard handy to putter around with, but I sure don't see it. *edit* wait a minute that line is totally retarded... and I didn't have wine with dinner, either... hang on lemme have another look at this...

ivandh
JG27Pyth wrote:
pfren wrote:

This is the famous anti-triangular manouvre starting with 1.Kc8!

One can work out the rest.

Oh, one can, can one? 

Kc8 Bf5 Kb7 b5 and ... how is black's pawn stopped? 

I don't have a chessboard handy to putter around with, but I sure don't see it.

Click "analyze" on the board above.

JG27Pyth
ivandh wrote:
JG27Pyth wrote:
pfren wrote:

This is the famous anti-triangular manouvre starting with 1.Kc8!

One can work out the rest.

Oh, one can, can one? 

Kc8 Bf5 Kb7 b5 and ... how is black's pawn stopped? 

I don't have a chessboard handy to putter around with, but I sure don't see it.

Click "analyze" on the board above.

FFS! How long have I been at this site you needed to tell me that? Do I have a brain tumor? Sheesh. I better stay indoors and away from power tools tonight. 

JG27Pyth

Okay. pfren I don't get it... 



JG27Pyth

I believe I've been spoofed by an IM. Oh cruel fate. *shakes fist at uncaring heavens* -- 

Heavens respond: Not spoofed. You fail. Do not misinterpret this as caring. 

Math0t

@JG27Pyth: 2.Kb7 is wrong, white must play 2.Kd7. Kd7 brings the white king closer to both blacks pawn and f5. On the next move white will play Kd6, forcing black to play ...Bf5 (if he hasn't already done so) to prevent promotion of the white pawn. Then black gains another tempo with Ke5...