I agree with Ziryab.
Can you have fun when you keep loosing ?
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Ziryab wrote:
Charetter115 wrote:
trysts wrote:
Really? "A guest left their purse in the bathroom", is incorrect?
Yes. It should be "A guest left his or her purse in the bathroom." or "Guests left their purse in the bathroom."
A guest left her purse in the bathroom. Not many men carry purses.
I do carry a messenger bag, however. It contains my chess files, the latest Informant, an iPad, a comb, tootbrush, shaving kit, a few condoms, ... But, it is not a purse.
A "purse" in British English can mean a wallet so I guess "left their purse" is fine.
Aug 26, 2015
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Apotek wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Charetter115 wrote:
trysts wrote:
Really? "A guest left their purse in the bathroom", is incorrect?
Yes. It should be "A guest left his or her purse in the bathroom." or "Guests left their purse in the bathroom."
A guest left her purse in the bathroom. Not many men carry purses.
I do carry a messenger bag, however. It contains my chess files, the latest Informant, an iPad, a comb, tootbrush, shaving kit, a few condoms, ... But, it is not a purse.
A "purse" in British English can mean a wallet so I guess "left their purse" is fine.
In England, I would say, "their purse," but write, "his or her purse".
In the US, I would say or write, "her purse". We discriminate against men who carry purses.
Aug 26, 2015
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#47
Wait a minute. Have you seen the purse? It should not be difficult to determine whether it is a man's purse or a woman's purse.
trysts wrote:
Whip_Kitten wrote:
Language change is normal.
Conflating personal pronouns is normal. 'Thee' & 'you' (and 'thou' & 'ye') conflated to 'you.' Perfectly normal linguistically for a gender neutral pronoun, 'their,' to be conflated with 'he' & 'she' when referring to a gender neutral singular pronoun.
You can't prevent language change. Embrace it.
Thank
you, whipkitten, I kind of suspected that Ziryab must be wrong once he picked Jane Austin to criticize:)
Whether or not it's ok depends on the the context. In formal academic writing I would probably use "he or she." In fictional or informal writing I don't think using "they" is a problem.
Aug 26, 2015
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#49
macer75 wrote:
trysts wrote:
Whip_Kitten wrote:
Language change is normal.
Conflating personal pronouns is normal. 'Thee' & 'you' (and 'thou' & 'ye') conflated to 'you.' Perfectly normal linguistically for a gender neutral pronoun, 'their,' to be conflated with 'he' & 'she' when referring to a gender neutral singular pronoun.
You can't prevent language change. Embrace it.
Thankyou, whipkitten, I kind of suspected that Ziryab must be wrong once he picked Jane Austin to criticize:)
Whether or not it's ok depends on the the context. In formal academic writing I would probably use "he or she." In fictional or informal writing I don't think using "they" is a problem.
In college papers, I insist that pronouns must agree in number. That remains the standard in formal academic writing. Most of my own writing tends towards the standard of formal prose.
Speech is different, but I do play with pronouns in speech, often deploying "his or her" in elementary school classrooms. Sometimes when I say just "her" the little second grade boys correct me. If I just say "his", however, the little feminists keep silent. "Their" does slip from my tongue, although I resist.
Pulpofeira wrote:
Actually the OP speaks a curious dialect of Galician *runs away*
Ahah.....* runs after you*
We are speaking of the difference between Prescriptive and Descriptive language. Prescriptive langauge is found in grammar books. Prescriptive language is a must when expressing complex, or unorthodox ideas. This is the language lawyers use, legalese, and scientists and philosophers and so forth.
Here is a simple example: If we say, "The pianist is Joe's sister Louise." We can glean that Joe has more than one sister.
However; If we say, "The pianist is Joe's sister, Louise." We know that Louise is Joe's only sister.
Descriptive language is the language used at a specific point in time, without regard for, or the need for, formal rules of grammar. For example: The Fats Domino hit, "Ain't That a Shame" would have flopped if he'd adhered to proper grammar and callet it, "Isn't That a Shame."
Mark Twain and James Joyce, to name but 2, are among the history's finest authors who used Descriptive language almost exclusivly.
Both Prescriptive and Descriptive language have their place. Our language is all the richer for it. We must remember that the rules of grammar exist to help us communicate, not to hinder us.
Prescriptive
n.
1.
a. Relating to or making rules, laws, or directions: prescriptive pronouncements.
b. Linguistics Based on or establishing norms or rules indicating how a language should or should not be used rather thandescribing the ways in which a language is used.
2. Law Of or relating to acquisition or occupancy by prescription.
3. Archaic Sanctioned or authorized by long-standing custom or usage.
descriptive linguistics
n
1. (Linguistics) (functioning as singular) the study of the description of the internal phonological, grammatical, and semantic structuresof languages at given points in time without reference to their histories or to one another. Also called: synchronic linguisticsCompare historical linguistics
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
descrip′tive linguis′tics
n.
the study of the grammar, classification, and arrangement of the features of a language at a given time, without reference to its historyor comparison to other languages.
[1925–30]
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descriptive linguistics
The study of a language at a particular stage in its development without relating it to other stages or other language
Thanks, now I think I'am well aware of the difference between loose and lose.
Next up: How smart are rocks?
Aug 26, 2015
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#56
Ty 58 really interesting , to loose, to lose, Toulouse
60 : it depends, around the clock ? here it is 1858 PM
PM : Paris Meridian Time
Aug 26, 2015
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#57
AlCzervik wrote:
Next up: How smart are rocks?
Smart enough to keep silent despite what people think of their intelligence.
Aug 26, 2015
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#58
I thought the psychological theory of Flow was excellent. Gaming is one part of life where a person needs a balance between challenge and ability, in order to prevent falling to one of two extremes: frustration, or boredom. See the following link, though I remember a 4-quadrant chart from another article that was similar.
http://www.gamified.uk/2012/11/30/flow-and-satisfaction/
Aug 26, 2015
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#59
This has nothing to do with losing ( or perhaps it does) I am just starting out at chess and would like to know which is the best forum to join?
I always hate to lose. I'm just getting back into playing and it seems I lose about half of the games I play. Just when it seems I'm getting a little better and go on a win streak of four or five wins, I seem to lose another four or five in a row and wonder what the heck is going on. Well to start, I'm done playing at work, unless it's a clear move to make i.e opening, win an unprotected pieces, checkmate etc... I feel like if keep studying, playing and learning I'll get better and I'll be able to take my game and rating from the low levels of 1000 to 2000 and beyond. Another reason I play is because its been a wonderful way to reconnect to a great Army friend from back in the day. I enjoy playing with him very much and playing our games on-line makes me hope one day we'll be albe to get together in person and play a few games; and I'll win some and lose some:)
Language change is normal.
Conflating personal pronouns is normal. 'Thee' & 'you' (and 'thou' & 'ye') conflated to 'you.' Perfectly normal linguistically for a gender neutral pronoun, 'their,' to be conflated with 'he' & 'she' when referring to a gender neutral singular pronoun.
You can't prevent language change. Embrace it.
Thank you, whipkitten, I kind of suspected that Ziryab must be wrong once he picked Jane Austin to criticize:)
I am standing in the gap, holding the line against deterioration of the King's English, battling those who reference Austen (who was never so excessive) as a defense of the laziness of today's speakers and writers. It is my grammatical Thermopylae.