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Learning from your mistakes?
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Feb 15, 2018
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tornado81 wrote:
I can't fix my mistakes because every game isn't a KID.
Then only play the KID.
Chess is easy like that, just learn 1 position and only play it.
If your opponent plays something different, tell them they have erred, and demand they resign right away. If they don't resign, report them to chess.com.
"... there will come a time, whether on move two or move twenty, when your knowledge of theory runs out and you have to decide what to do on your own. ... sometimes you will leave theory first, sometimes your opponent. ... It happens in every well-contested GM game at some point, usually a very significant point. ..." - IM John Cox (2006)
"... I feel that the main reasons to buy an opening book are to give a good overview of the opening, and to explain general plans and ideas. ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"The way I suggest you study this book is to play through the main games once, relatively quickly, and then start playing the variation in actual games. Playing an opening in real games is of vital importance - without this kind of live practice it is impossible to get a 'feel' for the kind of game it leads to. There is time enough later for involvement with the details, after playing your games it is good to look up the line." - GM Nigel Davies (2005)
Feb 16, 2018
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When I analyze, I use Lucas Chess with it's built-in Stockfish 8. No chess engine is able to give advice like, "Instead of a K-side Pawn Storm, you should have planted your Knight on that great c5-Outpost then pushed your d- and e- Pawns up the middle."
But it will point out blunders and, on Lucas Chess, a number of better moves which can tell you when you began to lose the game.
At that point, you should look for the Tactical or Positional Motif that are involved in the moves the engine prefers: did it see a Pin, an X-ray attack, etc. that you didn't see. Ask yourself why you didn't see it. The same is true of Tactics Puzzles. If it took you a while to solve it, why didn't you see the answer earlier. Often, in both cases, it's because you don't easily recognize the pattern of moves. Learning them is important.
Analyzing does not mean memorizing openings in particular.
Learn from the mistakes that you have made; And try to prevent similar mistakes from happening again.
Learn from the mistakes that you have made; And try to prevent similar mistakes from happening again.
You need to look at ALL of your games (win, loss, or draw), and figure out what types of positions best fit your style of play, and which ones involve the greatest danger. For a beginning player, this is the most important step to getting towards the mid-level. If you can play to your strengths, it'll give you more time and opportunity to figure out how to correct your weaknesses as a player.
Try to choose openings which play to your strengths, and learn them thoroughly. You should also figure out which openings give you the most trouble (as your opponent will have some say in what openings are played), and learn the anti-systems for them. For example, if you struggle against the Indian Defenses, learn the Trumpowsky Attack. If you can't handle Ruy Lopez, learn Petroff's Defense. Don't be afraid to try new openings and to stick with them until you understand the basic reasoning behind those openings, even if it means losing a few games in the process.
godsofhell1235 wrote:
tornado81 wrote:
I can't fix my mistakes because every game isn't a KID.
Then only play the KID.
Chess is easy like that, just learn 1 position and only play it.
If your opponent plays something different, tell them they have erred, and demand they resign right away. If they don't resign, report them to chess.com.
You misquoted me. I was giving an example: but what if you played a game and lost using the KID and you find your mistakes and when you play the next game, it turns out YOU (not "I") can't fix YOUR (not "my") mistakes because the position and opening are completely different?
bundle of laughs the killer fan...not you horrible creature
Feb 20, 2018
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#11
You analyse your games not only to check the opening, but also to see the kind of mistakes you do.
Make a list of mistakes. For example, if you allow knights having an outpost, or if you missed to play a pawn break in a certain moment, or you began to attack with too few pieces etc. Or perhaps you make wrong decisions about exchanges.
Make a list of mistakes. For example, if you allow knights having an outpost, or if you missed to play a pawn break in a certain moment, or you began to attack with too few pieces etc. Or perhaps you make wrong decisions about exchanges.
"... This book is the first volume in a series of manuals designed for players who are building the foundations of their chess knowledge. The reader will receive the necessary basic knowledge in six areas of the game - tactcs, positional play, strategy, the calculation of variations, the opening and the endgame. ... To make the book entertaining and varied, I have mixed up these different areas, ..." - GM Artur Yusupov
Feb 21, 2018
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DeirdreSkye wrote:
You have all this wrong.When you play a game you do some mistakes obviously(if the game is flawless , there is not much to learn).The mistakes are of different quality.Some are serious and some are not so serious.Blunders are the most serious mistakes.Blunders can ruin a game.If you don't blunder , a missed tactic can also instantly change the evaluation of a position so they are the second most important mistakes.After that comes the mistakes that show lack of middlegame or endgame understanding.All these 3 type of mistakes are mistakes that apply to any opening.They are not about KID or Sicilian.They are about chess.If you don;t try to fox these mistakes then yu are doing all this wrong.
Of course there are opening mistakes too but these too have almost the same categories:Blunders , tactics , understanding mistakes.When you fix opening mistakes , you increase your understanding about opening , when you fix middlegame and endgame mistakes you increase your understanding about chess.So opening mistakes are not so important as the other ones unless they prevent you from getting a playable position.Increasing your middlegame and endgame understanding is what makes you a better player because the knowledge acuried in these fields can be useful in any position.
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BobbyTalparov wrote:
When you analyze your games, do not just look where you deviated from a book line and memorize it! You should be looking for the losing move, identifying why you made that move (usually an incorrect thought process), and fix the cause.
This is very sound advice.
Torrirubi, I don't see how DeirdreSkye is wrong in the counsel proffered. Can you elaborate why you think it's wrong? Looks sound to me.
Feb 21, 2018
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#15
DeirdreSkye wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
DeirdreSkye wrote:
You have all this wrong.When you play a game you do some mistakes obviously(if the game is flawless , there is not much to learn).The mistakes are of different quality.Some are serious and some are not so serious.Blunders are the most serious mistakes.Blunders can ruin a game.If you don't blunder , a missed tactic can also instantly change the evaluation of a position so they are the second most important mistakes.After that comes the mistakes that show lack of middlegame or endgame understanding.All these 3 type of mistakes are mistakes that apply to any opening.They are not about KID or Sicilian.They are about chess.If you don;t try to fox these mistakes then yu are doing all this wrong.
Of course there are opening mistakes too but these too have almost the same categories:Blunders , tactics , understanding mistakes.When you fix opening mistakes , you increase your understanding about opening , when you fix middlegame and endgame mistakes you increase your understanding about chess.So opening mistakes are not so important as the other ones unless they prevent you from getting a playable position.Increasing your middlegame and endgame understanding is what makes you a better player because the knowledge acuried in these fields can be useful in any position.
"You have all this wrong"
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You act like a spoiled brat. For your age that is dangerous.
If we add your lazyness we have some symptoms that maybe need professional help. Think about it.
Just a little joke 😊
I've always suspected that torrubirubi has a skeleton in his closet.
torrubirubi wrote:
DeirdreSkye wrote:
You have all this wrong.When you play a game you do some mistakes obviously(if the game is flawless , there is not much to learn).The mistakes are of different quality.Some are serious and some are not so serious.Blunders are the most serious mistakes.Blunders can ruin a game.If you don't blunder , a missed tactic can also instantly change the evaluation of a position so they are the second most important mistakes.After that comes the mistakes that show lack of middlegame or endgame understanding.All these 3 type of mistakes are mistakes that apply to any opening.They are not about KID or Sicilian.They are about chess.If you don;t try to fox these mistakes then yu are doing all this wrong.
Of course there are opening mistakes too but these too have almost the same categories:Blunders , tactics , understanding mistakes.When you fix opening mistakes , you increase your understanding about opening , when you fix middlegame and endgame mistakes you increase your understanding about chess.So opening mistakes are not so important as the other ones unless they prevent you from getting a playable position.Increasing your middlegame and endgame understanding is what makes you a better player because the knowledge acuried in these fields can be useful in any position.
"You have all this wrong"
"You have all this wrong"
"You have all this wrong"
"You have all this wrong"
"You have all this wrong"
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WRONG!
COMPLETLY WRONG!
WRONG WRONG WRONG!
JUST WRONG
EVERYBODY AND ALL THIS IS ALL WRONG!
That means you smarty pants 
Feb 22, 2018
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#18
DeirdreSkye wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
DeirdreSkye wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
DeirdreSkye wrote:
You have all this wrong.When you play a game you do some mistakes obviously(if the game is flawless , there is not much to learn).The mistakes are of different quality.Some are serious and some are not so serious.Blunders are the most serious mistakes.Blunders can ruin a game.If you don't blunder , a missed tactic can also instantly change the evaluation of a position so they are the second most important mistakes.After that comes the mistakes that show lack of middlegame or endgame understanding.All these 3 type of mistakes are mistakes that apply to any opening.They are not about KID or Sicilian.They are about chess.If you don;t try to fox these mistakes then yu are doing all this wrong.
Of course there are opening mistakes too but these too have almost the same categories:Blunders , tactics , understanding mistakes.When you fix opening mistakes , you increase your understanding about opening , when you fix middlegame and endgame mistakes you increase your understanding about chess.So opening mistakes are not so important as the other ones unless they prevent you from getting a playable position.Increasing your middlegame and endgame understanding is what makes you a better player because the knowledge acuried in these fields can be useful in any position.
"You have all this wrong"
"You have all this wrong"
"You have all this wrong"
"You have all this wrong"
"You have all this wrong"
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"You have all this wrong"
"You have all this wrong"
WRONG!
COMPLETLY WRONG!
WRONG WRONG WRONG!
JUST WRONG
EVERYBODY AND ALL THIS IS ALL WRONG!
You act like a spoiled brat. For your age that is dangerous.
If we add your lazyness we have some symptoms that maybe need professional help. Think about it.
Just a little joke 😊
If you consider that humor then I think I am the one who starts feelling sorry for you.
But in this case you have all this wrong!
Do you see how funny it is to say somebody is wrong? Doesn't matter what someboday says, how he says, the right answer is allways: "You have this all wrong!"
Feb 22, 2018
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#19
kindaspongey wrote:
I've always suspected that torrubirubi has a skeleton in his closet.
Feb 22, 2018
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#20
DeirdreSkye wrote:
SeniorPatzer wrote:
BobbyTalparov wrote:
When you analyze your games, do not just look where you deviated from a book line and memorize it! You should be looking for the losing move, identifying why you made that move (usually an incorrect thought process), and fix the cause.
This is very sound advice.
Torrirubi, I don't see how DeirdreSkye is wrong in the counsel proffered. Can you elaborate why you think it's wrong? Looks sound to me.
I will tell you SeniorPatzer. It's not what I say , it's the driect way with which I say it.
I had to be more polite. I shouldn't say "you have all this wrong". I should say:
"Sorry sir but please , with all due respect allow me , and please forgive me if I hurt your feelings , to disagree with you."
Torrubirubi would like me a lot if I was hypocritical polite like him. I am not and I am not going to be.
And our conflict started since I claimed that his beloved site , Chessable , is actually for the lazy. How could I politely say "lazy"?
Okay, this is just silly. Look Deirdre, you can have your own opinion, also about Chessable (although I just disagree with you, but okay, we don't have to have the same opinion).
And you don't have to be that polite, it's fine. I mean, I feel rather irritated by some of your comments, the way how you say, although I have to be honest to admit that a lot of things you say about chess are rather sound, I am listening to you - I actually listening to most people much stronger than me.
I still think that you are very quick in telling that all people around you are wrong, implying of course that you know MUCH better. I am not sure about this. I spend in the last days several hours in Chessable learning tactics, openings, endgames, taking my board to sort out several difficult positions. I am not sure if the term "lazy" if the correct one to describe what I am doing (and a lot of people in Chessable are doing).
Anyway, you can go on telling how horribly wrong everything else is. Is your style, it seems. I will not go on arguing with you because I think I went already too far with this discussion. And I still have things to learn today before going to sleep (it is what lazy people like me do: learn instead of having endless discussions).
I know that everyone says to analyze your own games especially the games you lose and then to take those changes and start using them in your future games. but what if you played a game and lost using the KID and you find your mistakes and when you play the next game, it turns out you can't fix your mistakes because the position and opening are completely different?