Castling Structure (Which one do you prefer ?)

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i would say i like black better, because black's bishop is a little more mobile: white's f2 pawn blocks a route for the bishop, and white's bishop is a little more vulnerable to attacks. But, if the bishops were gone, black's king is more vulnerable on with pieces entering the castle on the dark squares
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I'd have to see where the other pieces are before I choose.

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Other pieces are irrelevant, since the question was about a structure, not the position as a whole.

I prefer blacks castling structure.
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PatzerLars wrote:

Other pieces are irrelevant, since the question was about a structure, not the position as a whole.

I prefer blacks castling structure.

So you mean which structure is more aesthetically appealing?

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for what reason, Lars?
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None is better of course, without putting the other pieces onboard. Whoever said "other pieces are irrelevant" has still to read lesson number two.

The above position is a boring draw, so it doesn't count for anything.

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^ lazy answer. Ofcourse structures can be analysed without needing legal diagrams. For example, a knight on e5 is generally better placed than a knight on a1, because it has more moves.
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...and I bet that people "thinking" like that can destroy a position, no matter if their knight is placed on e5, or a1.

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Sure, a knight is *generally* better placed on e5 than on a1, and even that has its exceptions. Now tell me whether a bishop is *generally* better on g3 or g2.

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Please, don't post him complex problems, MaartenSmit...

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well as i said, a bishop on g3 in these castling position is less mobile due to the f2 pawn and more easily attacked. Now you say something useful.
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Attacked by what?

Oh sorry, I forgot that even a traded piece can sneakingly attack from the outer space...

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...h5-h4 is a real threat, you know...

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well, f7-f5-f4 might be, often closing in the bishop on h2
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Yeah, also Be5, and when white plays f3, he loses the bishop.

Now you enlightened me, thanks a lot.

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-.- don't reply if all you can do is mock
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TeraHammer wrote:
i would say i like black better, because black's bishop is a little more mobile: white's f2 pawn blocks a route for the bishop, and white's bishop is a little more vulnerable to attacks. But, if the bishops were gone, black's king is more vulnerable on with pieces entering the castle on the dark squares

In other word you will say that white King is saver. Since as the game goes on, the Bishop will leave its current position or maybe make an exchange. And f pawn will move (f2-f4 / f7-f5) and make black King a little more vulnerable. Cmiiw.

bbracken wrote:

I would have to say that black's structure is the design of some openings and takes 2 moves to accomplish as part of the opening. Whereas white's position is not necessarily the result of design but rather the result of position, pressure and tactics (and takes 3 moves at minimum to achieve).

One (black) is part of a strategy, and the other (white) a result of tactics.


Sorry for my misinterpretation, since my english isn't very good. Can you explain me the difference of "part of a strategy" and "a result of tactics". Furthermore the difference of "stategy" and "tactics" ?

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TeraHammer wrote:
-.- don't reply if all you can do is mock

This is the very best I can do to illiterate remarks.

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@Dinne If the bishops are gone, i think white is safer, because black has got weaknesses near his king on f6 and h6. But for that reason, black will try to avoid trading that bishop.