Castling Vertically? Real Rule? If so, how did/does it work?

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Reading the article posted on page 1 or 2 that this idea originally came from (too lazy to find it) basically someone came up with a contrived example for a cheeky puzzle based on a poorly worded rule that FIDE had.  So, when the rules of chess were codified by FIDE someone took for granted that nobody would be stupid enough to actually think this was a thing (and if you tried it in a tournament it's unknown if the TD would have even allowed it).  Then some smart aleck guy notices a potential for the rule to be used in an unintended fashion, makes up a stupid puzzle and is smug about it (or maybe did it just as a joke), then FIDE says that's stupid and changes the rule to explicitly state back rank which everyone already knew was the rule anyway.

This sometimes happens in sports, sometimes in law, and pretty much always is adjusted immediately to prevent potential exploitation.  People are not infallible beings, especially when it comes to codifying complicated ideas.

TLDR; It was never a rule and never intended to be a rule.  Someone purposefully misconstrued a rule that wasn't written explicitly enough to be cute and it was changed, likely never once having been used in a real game.

Avatar of EndgameEnthusiast2357

The 3 inconsistencies in chess.

 

1. If u can capture your opponents pieces, u should be able to capture your own pieces

2. If u can promote to your own color, u should be bale to promote to your opponent's color

3. If u can promote to a knight, bishop, rook, or queen, u can definitely leave the pawn as a pawn and promote it at any time u wish.

 

 

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Why? If I can capture my opponents pieces, why the hell can't I take my own pieces. That's my business.

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What if I want to free up space or something?

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Still begging the question...WHY???

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This is just a troll thread

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Destroyer_Mark_1420 wrote:
Making mates would be 5x harder. It would be almost impossible for attacks to work. A lot of tactics wouldn’t work. Smothered mate wouldn’t even exist anymore. Many flaws.

u Right, the game would be very drawish. I retract taking your own pieces

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EndgameStudy wrote:

Still begging the question...WHY???

you need to take a logic 101 class

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No, u answered me in post 70, and I retracted my argument. U need to take a logic 1 class, let alone 101.

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EndgameStudy wrote:

This is not new rules. Vertical castling is BASED on current rules. Unless the rules say it has to occur on the back rank, it can occur vertically

It seems like a legitimate question. But the answer has already been discussed. Since castling can only occur on the first rank, the rules dont need to say anything about castling diagonally, vertically, or any other direction. If a person intentionally promotes to a rook thinking they are creating a position where they could castle its simply a bad choice. They would probably be better off with a queen, and castling in that case is prohibited by the rules.

To me it's just like the rules on how the pieces move. The reason a queen cant move like a knight is because the rules say how it can move. All other moves are prohibited. For example, a bishop moves diagonally, but not diagonally it two different directions on the same move. It wouldn't make sense to list ALL the moves that pieces cannot make. It only makes sense to list the ones they can make.

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Okay, if the rules say only on the 1ST RANK, then yes, it would be illegal, although they could make an exception for this position LOL

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Tim Krabbe posted a joke chess problem based on vertical castling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke_chess_problem

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc2guxJ73Ew

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Touchmove backfiring LOL

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EndgameStudier wrote:

Touchmove backfiring LOL

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How the hell does he miss Rh8 mate in the 1st place??

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The Rook promoted on e8---with black's move made- Then the diagram above is set, White to move, the Vertical Castle starts---That would be King first moving to e3 (always leading with the King and it has not moved off its starting position), so it relocates to Ke3 and then the Rook relocates on e2, or Re2+ for a successful vertical castle and check. The Black Queen is skewered and lost after the King moves out of check. There is no attack on the White King. The black queen is not on a square that  prevents the maneuver "through castle" by the King. It was allowed as Tim Krabbe used the rare "Vertical Castle" in checking his opponent and then winning his match in a different position.

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I didn't mean castling with a promoted rook that was moved to the back rank, only immediately after the rook promotion on e8.  Is it still allowed now?

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It was arguable legal until the early 1970s. Now it just for joke studies and curiosity. But you can try it casually over the board in your local club.