Change Chess Rules?

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glamdring27
ThrillerFan wrote:
glamdring27 wrote:

An upside-down Rook representing a Rook is ridiculous.  It's just convenience when a set doesn't have two Queens and at least one Rook is off the board.  Any player who whishes to promotes to a Rook yet puts it on the board upside-down is as much an idiot as if someone turned the Rooks upside down and placed their knights on their sides to start the game.

As for the losing on time issue, there has still been no sensible refutation to the claim that if neither player deserves to win then a draw is the obvious result.  Claiming that a player who loses on time deserves to lose therefore their opponent deserves to win is just a typically flawed one-way implication.  If a player has no mating material then they do not deserve to win, irrespective of their opponent's situation.

If there isn't an extra set of queens, and no available queen within reach (i.e. maybe next board over also traded queens), then the correct procedure is to stop the clock, summon a director, and inform the director that you need a White/Black Queen on board (whatever board number you are).  Director gets you a Queen (or third Knight, third Bishop, or third Rook), brings it to your table, your move is already declared and therefore must be played (otherwise the stopping of the clock would be deemed cheating to gain time), and you proceed to hit the clock so that your opponent's time begins.

That sounds sensible enough though it doesn't account for the fact an upside-down Rook counts as a Rook!  Ok, it's not legal as a Queen, but seriously, is there really such a rule that basically says you can place a Rook upside-down and it is legal as a Rook?!

chyss
owltuna wrote:

Somebody is upset that they weren't good enough for the debate team in high school. But still proving that they aren't good enough.

"If  you change the rule as I'm suggesting then you would 'lose on time'."

Since you imagine in your mind that the case that does not exist actually does exist, your arguments immediately become irrelevant. That you cling so dearly to such inanity only shows your inability to reason.

Point made, rebuttal answered. HAND.

Are you serious? If you change the rule, the argument against the rule doesn't make sense. You evaluate a rule change by imagining what it would be like if the rule was changed. What you're doing is imagining what it would be like if the rule wasn't changed, which is irrelevant to the current discussion. I'm sorry that you're not able to understand this, but don't feel bad. You've made yourself look a little silly, but that's not so bad, is it? 

chyss

Incidentally, I'm immune to sarcasm, that's my superpower! Wink

ThrillerFan
CabassoG wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

... What if one tries to demonstrate a mate but the opponent claims he can get out of it and the director doesn't know because they don't play the game, only know the rules from the rulebook?
Not to discount your main point, but I'm pretty sure to be a certified TD you have to at least have an established USCF rating and they suggest that TDs remain active players.
 

You also have to pass a certification test.

Yes, you do, I am a Club TD myself, but you could pass that test with a Chess Rulebook and the updated rules since the last published rule book.  There's no reason to need to have any knowledge of endgame strategy and being able to figure out if mate is forced.

As for the upside down room issue, I might be illegal to do a Rook upside down completely, but last I heard was that a Rook is a Rook is a Rook, whether it be right side up, upside-down, on its side, etc.  However, a Rook, no matter how it's placed on the board, is NEVER a Queen in FIDE-rated events.

LeechSeed
Mottley wrote:

Change the  white always moves first rule...in our egalitarian world black deserves equal opportunity to move first...white versus black is a very sensitive set-up also

Lol, your comment just reminded me of this clip...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klvCleuZ_Kg&t=2m0s

_Number_6
chyss wrote:

Yes, it does need to be played out, to establish whether one side has used up an unfairly large amount of time to reach this equal position. Using more time than is available is effectively 'cheating' unless you lose by doing so.

How about stalemate or three fold?  Should the player with the most time left on their clock win?

ThrillerFan

Here's a good rule - this will make you fight for your life.

In tournament competition, the loser of each game must, under their own facebook ID, post a picture of Muhammad on Facebook.

NDsteve

Bullet chess is just for  fun,  It has nothing to do with real chess, Its all about who can send moves the fastest. If you want to make it fair remove all pre-move options and force one   second to run off  the clock for everytime a player   makes A move, if they want to spend more time let the clock continue and all settings should be set by chess,com not the players, They cna chose the type of board they want on there screen.  They try to make it as fair as they can but we should be playing chess not , I Can Send Moves Faster Then You.   If you want to get good at chess you need to play the game . I would fell like I was cheating if my settings were sending moves faster then my opponent..  Some times the Truth hurts...   

NDsteve

Thats the stupidist thing I ever heard, I move as fast as I can and 3 seconds burns off the clock I resign when I up A queen and have 15 seconds left because I know I will lose on time.  Are you afraid to play real chess but I do agree with you about sending moves to fast and simply trying to seal up the position if the time settings are equal for both players.  Seems like like some people with only 10 second can play forever so get rid of the time incraments they were never ment for fast chess.

NDsteve

Real chess is live in person tournament chess invoolving money and trophys and for the young players rating points are important in order to qualify for stronger tournaments. Bullet chess is A joke it was the only way some people could win because 5 minutes requires about 100 times as much skill and real chess is more like 40 moves in two  hours for each player.  You couldn,t be more wrong. I miss playing 5 minute blitz or 3 minute and even 1 minute but I can.t play it on the internet . They try to make it as fair as they can but its not real...  

NDsteve

My trophy case on here has been full for over A year and I just started about 18 months ago I have several hundred from 2,3 and 5 minute chess. I never said I was bad at it I just want it to be fair.

Ziryab

Why am I tracking this thread? The most useful part of the discussion has been the simple "no" that several have posted.

NDsteve

balente you have zero tournament trophys I have over 200 and you say I have no skill?

Darth_Algar

Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any more asinine than chyss.

NDsteve

Those ratngs  mean nothing its based on how fast you can send your moves and if thats the only way you can win more power to ya and have A blast but I,m not wasting my time until both players get the same amount of speed.  Have A blast I hope you get your bullet rating over 3000.   Don,t talk to me about settings,  that should be made the same for both players without free choice of the players but by the internet company that runs whatever site your playing on.  They do the best they can to make it fair but it just doesn,t work or no one has figured out A way yet, enough of this you do whatever makes you  happy.  

dzikus
ThrillerFan napisał:

Here's a good rule - this will make you fight for your life.

In tournament competition, the loser of each game must, under their own facebook ID, post a picture of Muhammad on Facebook.

This rule would not influence my play at all since I have no Facebook account Cool

NDsteve

I think everyone should do one push-up between each move...     Laughing

glamdring27

Playing fast bad moves is always a good way to lose a bullet chess game.

glamdring27
owltuna wrote:

An upside-down rook is fine as a queen in a skittles game. In a rated tournament it's right that it should not be allowed. And it's not idiotic, it's a reasonable convenience under the right circumstances.

That's fine, but someone stated:

"FIDE - Upside down rook is a rook."

That is what is idiotic.  People should be forced to play with their pieces the right way up if those pieces are representing themselves!

NDsteve

I have played in uscf tournaments that have extra queens beside the board just in case that happens .  Not talked about much because most of the time people  resign before that situation ever occures . Now what I really wanted to ask about is why is it considered A draw if someone has A lone king and knight or king and bishop, you can still checkmate with those if your opponent has A lone rook pawn still on the board .bishops only if the pawn is on the file that queens the same color the square bishop  is.  Another situation that does not happen very often but it does happen.