cheating on chess.com
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gumpty
Nov 29, 2008
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#301
whether you are 2300 or 1300, you should follow the rules of the site, if not you should leave or be banned. that finishes your discussion. and i would still play you OTB when you didnt have access to a program!
Nov 29, 2008
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#302
achmatova wrote:
Much_Afraid wrote:
Achmatova so you've been playing chess with with the aid of a program since 1989 or around there?
yes, of course, after I came back to correspondence chess, around 1994. 99 percent of players use one. A fact that you continue to ignore.
Thats funny because remember when I said in reference to your old account that if you hadn't known that programs were banned here at chess.com why didn't you just use a program from the moment you registered instead of waiting 6 months to do so... and how I told you that seemed to point to the fact that you DID in fact know the rules and just decided to eventually break them out of frustration...... you told me that the reason for the delay was because you had just bought a program a couple months ago and thats why you hadn't used one previously here at chess.com. Oops! But you've been using programs since 1994. I guess all those programs you had used in the past right up to 2008 were stolen... and/or the dog ate them... Riiiiiight... See when you lie you have to be a good juggler.
Still though I know that is in the past now I just found it interesting. I doubt you'd cheat anymore on your new account or else you wouldn't have bothered going through the trouble of deleting your old one, so good luck with that!
Nov 29, 2008
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#303
achmatova wrote:
gumpty wrote:
which engine were you using in 1981? and also , you have a turnbased rating of 1500, are you still using the 1981 program now???
you are one of those here who
1) try constantly to discredit my personality, and
2) should try to inform themselves BEFORE they claim something not true.
to your questions: I did not have a program until 1989 (I lived in GDR). I stopped for some years playing correspondence chess after, since i realized that many people used a program, and i could not cope with that. I later came back to it, wehn i realized that the interaction between human and machine is fun, because, I learned from the machine (the 'revenge' is: the machine doesn't !!!), and the rating of a tandem human-machine is sevral hundred points rating higher than the level of the machine alone , IF YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT, AND IF YOU ARE NOT A WEAK PLAYER YOURSELF.
Both last conditions are not fulfilled in your case.
So then play at ICCF playserver or anywhere else where engine use is permitted, but not here. Or stay here and play unrated games, but let your opponent know. I think we all know what advanced chess is. But a lot of us, real chessplayers, don't enjoy it. We just want to play against other people, not "centaurs".
Chess.com is primarily for pure non-engine players and it would be sad if they started prize tournaments here in advanced chess. I can undertand Rajlich promoting advanced chess here, because it means better sales of his product (chess engine Rybka). But "freestylers" have plenty of room under ICCF and other sites and i don't know why they want to expand here.
Nov 29, 2008
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#304
costelus wrote:
David: I'm just so curious: How could you have played so long in that pigstry called yahoo?
I didn't know about chess.com then!
Nov 29, 2008
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#305
Olimar wrote:
Insanity is defined as doing the exact same thing more than once and expecting different results...
That (bogus) definition of "insanity" is about as sane as saying only insane people learn.
Practice makes perfect.
I believe that using any computer program for assistance during a game is cheating! That being said, I was surprised to see that at least one response admitted to using computer programs for "advise" - Its amazing how easily some can justify and or rationalize cheating. I am sure it makes for interesting reading but, why bother. The only person being cheated is the the cheater. One thing can be counted on for sure, he can never risk playing in person, so if he/she is cheating there is little risk of his being recognized as a "Grandmaster". You do raise an interesting point. I do hope there are some standards in place and that some effort is being undertaken to inure that if an individual is cheating - he is strongly being encouraged to find a home at Yahoo! LOL
Nice post, torqamada! You can always check out any opponent`s games. Run an engine and the story will tell!
Nov 29, 2008
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#308
torqamada wrote:
Let's face it cheating in CChess is rampant. Here, Gameknot (the worst chess site for cheaters ever developed.) RedHotPawn, go ahead and cheat there and you will get booted, see ya! Cheating here is intrenched. Ratings here are inflated by at least 400-500 points, even mine due to players timing out. But I hate cheaters like everyone else. They are an anathema. FICGS allows engines, ICCF like Gameknot turns their heads to there use. I would surmise that of the front page players here 90% are users, other then the recognized titled players and one or two others, like Dominick1952. You ever wonder why the top players never wade in on this subject, hmmm, now you know !
It's very unwise to generalise like this. Many of the top players have the ratings they've got just because they are better than everyone else. Try not to be too paranoid - or they might get ya ;-)
Nov 29, 2008
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#309
Tunatin wrote:
I think [achmatova's] point is that in correspondence chess (some formats) engine use is allowed. Here it isn't. He didn't know.
"No Cheating or Computer Help" is on the first page of Terms of Service.
If he didn't know, he was grossly negligent.
From the terms of service:
"The only type of computer assistance allowed is games databases for opening lines in Turn-based Chess and Vote Chess."
Does this mean referring to NCO or MCO is also "allowed" ?
Nov 29, 2008
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#311
NCO and MCO are books so, yes, they are allowed. I use my copy of MCO to prop my monitor up!
Nov 29, 2008
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#312
I really don't understand why people are so up in arms about using opening databases and opening books.
In most of my games it's 2-4 moves and we are wayyyy out of any opening book anyway 
so it really useless.
fanat wrote:
I really don't understand why people are so up in arms about using opening databases and opening books.
In most of my games it's 2-4 moves and we are wayyyy out of any opening book anyway so it really useless.
You don't understand because people aren't up in arms about this.
DavidForthoffer wrote:
Olimar wrote:
Insanity is defined as doing the exact same thing more than once and expecting different results...
That (bogus) definition of "insanity" is about as sane as saying only insane people learn.
Practice makes perfect.
cmon man... you seriously dont get how this definition applies to practice....?
When you practice you get better... therefore more practice means more improvement... did you think the definition was mutually exclusive to practice? They work together :P
To DavidForthoffer
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result." Albert Einstein
A mind that can hardly be considered "bogus."
Nov 29, 2008
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#316
dashkee94 wrote:
To DavidForthoffer
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result." Albert Einstein
A mind that can hardly be considered "bogus."
Was that Albert Einstein, the famous psychiatrist?
None of the medical or legal definitions of insanity I have seen say that trite definition.
People practice many physical and mental actions with the oft-fulfilled expectation of getting better. By that definition, they are all insane.
first, since chess.com is a turn based chess, you cannot do anything about cheating.
second, its really risky to pretend osmebody is cheating just because his play is not like your play. People are different, as playing styles, and decision taking styles too.
Finally, i think you should just relax, and enjoy the marvellous game that is chess, and just mind your own play without trying to discover who is a bad player and who is not.. LOL
Im not tracking this.. so PM me if something is not understood ;)
cheating? You might get caught and it's NO GOOD and very ABUSİVE too.
Nov 29, 2008
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#319
laporte wrote:
first, since chess.com is a turn based chess, you cannot do anything about cheating.
You are mistaken. chess.com staff can and do take action against cheaters. It may be impossible to thoroughly eradicate them, but chess.com can make this site a better place to play, for people who want to play only people.
DavidForthoffer wrote:
dashkee94 wrote:
To DavidForthoffer
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result." Albert Einstein
A mind that can hardly be considered "bogus."
Was that Albert Einstein, the famous psychiatrist?
None of the medical or legal definitions of insanity I have seen say that trite definition.
People practice many physical and mental actions with the oft-fulfilled expectation of getting better. By that definition, they are all insane.
No they expect the same result everytime - they expect they will get better. Me playing a guy rated 400 points higher and still expecting to win would be insane by that definition.
However, I agree with you, that is most likely not the definition used by psychiatrists