alan400 wrote:
does anyone think playing for a draw is cheating ,players play the same moves and they know that the game will stop and end up a draw its unfair and should be stoped
Each side has the duty to try its hardest not to lose. If repetition of moves help accomplish that, how can you call that cheating?
regarding playing for a draw.
its not really a problem. Even Gm's know that if they are to win tournaments they must WIN a few games once in a while. they are, also, strong enough to know when to draw.
think of it like poker. If you're winning a pile money, do you play recklessly? similarly the guy thats Not doing so well, is going to Play Hard for a win.
for the record as far as I know they is NO rule in FIDE or USCF (and probably not in Your chess federation)
preventing chessplayers for playing for a draw. so ... its not cheating- if no rules are broken.
it's ok for 2 guys to arrange the result in chess since the general public doesn't care much, on the other hand if two football teams decided to pass the ball back and forth in the centre circle for 90 minutes, well that wouldn't work, they would lose the respect of the general public.
it's ok for 2 guys to arrange the result in chess since the general public doesn't care much.
Do you seriously condone collusion?
no batgirl, its not ok to me, but i mean in general it seems to have been happening for years.
No. Playing for a draw is a completely ethical practice.
To address the rather weak points made above:
*Your result will affect other tournament players, whether you like it or not. I also don't understand your notion of "fairness" in prize distribution... if player A wanted a prize, yet B could draw and pull ahead, player A was at a least a full point below, and should have simply played better beforehand rather than complain. One might say that a frontrunner would be benefitted by two chasers drawing, so that he wins clear first.
*It's not collusion... a game of chess depends on two players alone, and it's generally in the interest of both players to win. Most, but not all tournament formats support agreed draws in late rounds. If you really don't like agreed draws, don't play in these tournaments.
To address the rather weak points made above:
*It's not collusion...
No one indicated that playing for a draw is collusion. That was a response to "it's ok for 2 guys to arrange the result in chess."
There have been 74 topics on this subject...when will chess.com learn?
Probably never.
Chess.com aborts your game and awards you a loss when their site works so badly that your board is completely frozen on move 1. the next game i had to reload the board every time my opponent moved to unfreeze it. what a joke.
it's ok for 2 guys to arrange the result in chess since the general public doesn't care much, on the other hand if two football teams decided to pass the ball back and forth in the centre circle for 90 minutes, well that wouldn't work, they would lose the respect of the general public.
Agreeing to a draw beforehand can result in forfeiture of tourney games especially if the TD is aware of it. This is true for the USCF and I believe FIDE as far as I know. The problem is that it is often hard to prove collusion in such cases.
Yes, collusion beforehand is seen as unethical. However, this is an impossible rule.
In a tournament once, me and my friend both had 3.5/4, and could guarantee first prize shared if we drew. Not being complete idiots, we acknowledged that we knew this, and could just get a draw. After 16 moves in an equal position, I offered a draw and it was accepted.
If we make "collusion" illegal, there will be way more many false accusations of arranged draws, and it will hurt chess way more than help it. If both players on the board have a common goal, this goal will be impossible to stop....
In a tournament, giving and receiving free points or half-points is unethical because your actions affect the other tournament players, not just the two of you. That free half-point you give opponent A may let his beat out opponent B for a prize. This is obviusly unfair.
In a non-tournament game, who cares what you do?
In a tournament its ok to do the best possible to win the tournament or to get a good result. If you are tired it can be very smart to go for an early draw and get some sleep before the next round.
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With all the time spent playing for a draw, players could be learning how to draw instead, so I'm all for anything that maximizes productivity. Anyone found playing for a draw in a losing position should be warned on the first offense and banned on the second. This should apply retroactively, too.
anyway the whole point of my "it's ok" post was to highlight how pointless these non-trier draws are by comparing to a sport spectators can actually enjoy, seemed to fly right by people though.
Does anyone actually start a game of chess thinking "I'm going to play for a draw"? I always go for the win until that point at which it becomes obvious that I can't win, then I look at draw possibilities. Since drawing a game of chess is acceptable and part of the rules of chess, what's the problem, as both players have the same opportunity? Manouvering an opponent into a draw position is not a simple matter by any means and should be recognized for the skill it takes to accomplish the feat. Conversely, it also takes skill to prevent a draw position. Maybe, when we find ourselves in a draw situation we should be asking "How did I let my opponent get me into a draw position?", instead of complaining about the rules. Better play might prevent a draw.
It's a complaint about professional players?
When the OP gets his rating up by about 1500 points, it might be relevant.
no need to be so nasty.
does anyone think playing for a draw is cheating ,players play the same moves and they know that the game will stop and end up a draw its unfair and should be stoped