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blueemu
millerd66 wrote:

Because it shows you have no other plan and you are not good enough to come up with a new one 

You talk as though all that's needed to win is a plan and some courage. If that were true, why haven't you beaten Magnus and taken the World Championship away from him? 

No plan? No guts?

If the best you can get out of a bad position is a draw, then a perpetual check is GOOD play, not bad play. Live with it.

RobertJames_Fisher
SpacePodz wrote:
So I should just lose instead of exploiting the fact that my opponents king is open and going for a draw? Also, even if it’s not a draw, checking gets you better a better position. Legit ask ANY professional or high ranking player and they will say repetitive checking is a valid strategy.
 
redundant checking that repeats itself is a way to show you can’t come up with a new plan and your opponent has frustrated you and it bothers you

 

RobertJames_Fisher
blueemu wrote:
millerd66 wrote:

Because it shows you have no other plan and you are not good enough to come up with a new one 

You talk as though all that's needed to win is a plan and some courage. If that were true, why haven't you beaten Magnus and taken the World Championship away from him? 

No plan? No guts?

If the best you can get out of a bad position is a draw, then a perpetual check is GOOD play, not bad play. Live with it.

 

YUP no plan to beat Magnus your are 1000 percent right I have no plans (ideas) but it would never be for a lack of guts

 

RobertJames_Fisher
SpacePodz wrote:
So I should just lose instead of exploiting the fact that my opponents king is open and going for a draw? Also, even if it’s not a draw, checking gets you better a better position. Legit ask ANY professional or high ranking player and they will say repetitive checking is a valid strategy.
 
repetitive checking is one thing but doing the same check over and over that is easily refuted is futile 

 

blueemu

If it gains a draw in a bad position, how can you possibly call it "refuted"?

Gaining a draw from a bad position is a success, not a failure.

RobertJames_Fisher
blueemu wrote:

If it gains a draw in a bad position, how can you possibly call it "refuted"?

Gaining a draw from a bad position is a success, not a failure.

 

you are assuming it’s a bad position? Maybe it’s not bad but the player doesn’t have the needed skills to make a good one so they give up and play for a draw

 

 

blueemu
millerd66 wrote:
blueemu wrote:

If it gains a draw in a bad position, how can you possibly call it "refuted"?

Gaining a draw from a bad position is a success, not a failure.

 

you are assuming it’s a bad position? Maybe it’s not bad but the player doesn’t have the needed skills to make a good one so they give up and play for a draw

So what you're saying NOW is that taking a draw in a winning position is weak.

Do you move the goal-posts often?

RobertJames_Fisher

Yes taking a draw in a winning position is weak

RobertJames_Fisher

If you are winning you go for the jugular not a half win

blueemu
millerd66 wrote:

Yes taking a draw in a winning position is weak

Sure. We can agree on that.

But it's not the claim you started this thread with.

RobertJames_Fisher
blueemu wrote:
millerd66 wrote:

Yes taking a draw in a winning position is weak

Sure. We can agree on that.

But it's not the claim you started this thread with.

In my opinion you need to read my original premise.

 

secondly why don’t you beat Carlson is it guts or no plan? I ask you the same question you asked me , I admit I would not have a plan but would not be for a lack of guts

 

blueemu
millerd66 wrote:
blueemu wrote:
millerd66 wrote:

Yes taking a draw in a winning position is weak

Sure. We can agree on that.

But it's not the claim you started this thread with.

In my opinion you need to read my original premise.

 

secondly why don’t you beat Carlson is it guts or no plan? I ask you the same question you asked me , I admit I would not have a plan but would not be for a lack of guts

When I got a chance to play Mikhail Tal (in a simul, in 1988 in Saint John) instead of playing something boring and "safe", I played the Sicilian Najdorf against him... the same opening variation in which Tal himself had beaten Bobby Fischer twice at Bled.

Does that answer your question? I don't think anyone faulted my guts. They probably felt that I had guts where I could have used some brains.

RobertJames_Fisher

The only reason magnus is the champ is his plan is better than his opponents, if he had a bad plan he would be just another average player, but his mind allows him to create a superior plan and execute it. Had you had a better plan you would have won it seems

RobertJames_Fisher

Yes because the experience and knowledge create the plan! I never said a chance , please show me where I said I would???? I will wait for your response! He has the best plans of them all but it comes down to a plan he has one and you his opponents don’t have one to match end of discussion, thanks for playing

RobertJames_Fisher

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Arnaut10

Why are you arguing? He couldnt be more wrong and cant even understand why. Ofcourse its not dirty play and the reason why is so clear. For me thats the beauty of chess. You cant have any impact on what your opponent plays and you are the one responsible for everything that happens on the board. Its you who allowed perpetual check, draw by repetition and stuff like that. I agree they are annoying but there is no one to blame except yourself.

KingCobra280
nousernameswereavailable wrote:


lets give an example of giving checks

This check is well founded

now can you see the power of checks in a losing position?

"Monkey sees check monkey gives check" applies to the first example , 2nd shows the power of repeated checks. I also included an example with the daily puzzle yesterday and 3rd example, repetition is very useful sometimes.

blueemu
millerd66 wrote:

The only reason magnus is the champ is his plan is better than his opponents, if he had a bad plan he would be just another average player, but his mind allows him to create a superior plan and execute it. Had you had a better plan you would have won it seems

"Everybody's got a plan... until they get HIT." - Mike Tyson.

You seem to be overlooking something important. A player needs a strategic plan, yes. But he also needs the tactical ability and situational awareness to carry it out. Not the same thing.

Also very important is the ability to improvise when things don't go according to plan.

WalkerMHS
I think that it’s a great thing to do I do it decently frequently because there’s the possibility for me getting a good pin/fork etc.../the opponent just makes a bad move resulting in checkmate or losing a piece
Martin_Stahl
millerd66 wrote:
SpacePodz wrote:
So I should just lose instead of exploiting the fact that my opponents king is open and going for a draw? Also, even if it’s not a draw, checking gets you better a better position. Legit ask ANY professional or high ranking player and they will say repetitive checking is a valid strategy.
 
repetitive checking is one thing but doing the same check over and over that is easily refuted is futile 

 

 

You are free to deviate from your repeated refutation as well. If that happens to be the only refutation, then you should continue to play it and if your opponent's checking is the best plan, they should continue as well and secure the draw.

 

The whole point is to play the best moves in the position, or the best moves you can find. Sometimes the best moves are to repeat.