Chess : science or art?

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waffllemaster

The many creative ways you can transform advantageous e.g. give up structure advantage for a superior minor piece are more like art.

The way to convert advantages to wins, i.e. technique, is more science.

The fun is they often blend together seamlessly in a good game.  Combined with the nearly inexhaustible number of positions and you get a game that sticks around for over a thousand years.

waffllemaster
ChessStrategist wrote:

I would like to think chess is art. But what I may like has nothing to do with it.

Consider this...think of the best chess engine...Rybka? Houdini? Fritz? Something else? Well, the frickin' box at highest level can beat the pants off anyone I can think of.

I rest my case.


Calculators that solve math problems have less error than chess engines and yet even in mathematics certain solutions are seen are more elegant and certainly more creative than others.

What is art/creativity and does it exist outside of the human experience is more of a philosophical question... what I mean is by using your type of argument you could reduce anything to cold hard numbers.

Just to throw it out there, computers are effective because programmers work to make their blunder rate approach zero, not because the moves are objectively best.  Humans have better ideas (find better moves), but their blunder rate is too high to win in match play.

PHILIPPINE_NM

Chess is Art said GM Eduard Gufeld 

boymaster

i say it's trigonometry

jgl1976
dschaef2 wrote:

Pure Mathematics.


Hear! Hear!!

dr_chessdad

Both! It is sciencific (pure calculation) when it comes to working out a tactical sequence. The artistic nature of it comes during postional play, when one player is trying to outmaneurve the other to achieve certain positional goals.

Samurai-X

Ultimately there is one or more correct (or most correct) moves. That makes it 100% science. It is also partially art because of the multiple correct (or most correct) moves that exist.

nonowho

Chess is more than science and art it is also logical weighing trades and much more

nonowho

that's logical thinking up there

soldierpiper

Chess is the best board game ever played by rascals & kings .Laughing

Rich97
Samurai-X wrote:

Ultimately there is one or more correct (or most correct) moves. That makes it 100% science. It is also partially art because of the multiple correct (or most correct) moves that exist.


Lol, Mathematics not your strong point then - 100% something and a bit of something else? What are you like at painting?

Annabelle

Chess is a battle, a war!

d4e4
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ruthus
ChessStrategist wrote:

Very true. But the question is: Art or science".

I maintain that if a black box can play and beat any and all human beans then...the answer becomes obvious.

P.S.: If someone were to add that "X" can beat the best black box (or even X, Y & Z)...then I would suggest that maybe X, alone, is an artist (or X, Y, and Z). Everyone else on the planet is not.

P.P.S.: I don't particularly like this. But, there are many things in life besides this that I don't like.


 yes but let's not forget that the computer (or black box, as you call it) is programmed by people .

d4e4

Maybe then we could argue that the programmers and/or hardware engineers are artists. That would be a new topic. Meanwhile...I thought we were talking about chess players.

lefecious

Is racing an art or a science?  We can build machines that race faster than humans can run, so does that make it science?

But only humans can run the way humans do, and people are always coming up with new training methods and new tweaks to running form, so does this creativity mean it's an art?

I see chess very much the same.  In that regard, I guess I agree with those who said it was a sport.

Emmott

Chernev described it as a fascinating blend of the two.

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fleiman

Sport.

d4e4

Bingo! Reminds me of another popular "sport"...wrestling. Lotta art there, too.

(That knock on the head helped...now I'm "in the spirit of things".

Silly ole me...Surprised .)