Chess and Intelligent Machines

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grahambini

Manavendra, you are dillusional.  Computers playing chess is not a demonstration of intelligence even in the slightest sense.  I've programmed my own chess engines, and I can assure you that behind the magical illusion of playing chess is nothing but smoke and mirrors.  Chess engines still use the same fundamental algorithm they have always used, namely the mini-max search, which can be written conceptually in under 10 lines of a high level programming language.  The only intelligence demonstrated by chess engines is that of the programmers who come up with clever ways to squeeze out more efficient and accurate ways of pruning unpromising branches from the chess tree of possible moves.  I have also worked in a machine learning/AI research lab, and one quickly realizes that AI is like a magic trick:  It's really amazing when you see it, but as soon as you find out how it was done, it loses its appeal.  When you find out the levitating woman was actually being held up by a series of hidden cables cleverly disguised to avoid detection, the magic trick has suddenly become less magic, and more trick.

manavendra
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manavendra
grahambini wrote:

Manavendra, you are dillusional.  Computers playing chess is not a demonstration of intelligence even in the slightest sense.  I've programmed my own chess engines, and I can assure you that behind the magical illusion of playing chess is nothing but smoke and mirrors.  Chess engines still use the same fundamental algorithm they have always used, namely the mini-max search, which can be written conceptually in under 10 lines of a high level programming language.  The only intelligence demonstrated by chess engines is that of the programmers who come up with clever ways to squeeze out more efficient and accurate ways of pruning unpromising branches from the chess tree of possible moves.  I have also worked in a machine learning/AI research lab, and one quickly realizes that AI is like a magic trick:  It's really amazing when you see it, but as soon as you find out how it was done, it loses its appeal.  When you find out the levitating woman was actually being held up by a series of hidden cables cleverly disguised to avoid detection, the magic trick has suddenly become less magic, and more trick.


I presume you are making the right point that computers cannot solve any problem which cannot be described by a Turing Machine.

manavendra
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trysts
padman wrote:
trysts wrote:

I just finished the crop circle. Whew! I wrote I-R-A-N with a picture of a butterfly. It serves three purposes: First--Since the aliens are intelligent, they will know that since I didn't say "Take manavendra to your planet" that I really did say "Take manavendra to your planet". Second--Since the American military is not intelligent, maybe they'll bomb my backyard instead of the country. Third--Since there is a picture of a butterfly, maybe Reb will go hunting there (of course, at the same time the Americans are bombing).                 

god willing...


Well well, more ugly politcs and ugly violent talk about fellow users from trysts.

When you finally get shunted off this site by the powers that be it will be a happy occasion for all.


You should talk padmanLaughing You're one of the most annoying posters here.

ZijadBegovic

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trysts

It should be:

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manavendra
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Phobetrix

Hai, it was me cutting them with one of my swordsCool

trysts
manavendra wrote:


Nah, my comments were deleted by an Alien Intelligence while I was asleep.


Crop circles rule!Laughing

MyCowsCanFly
manavendra wrote:
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 "...listen not to what he says but rather what he does not say."

trysts
MyCowsCanFly wrote:
manavendra wrote:
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 "...listen not to what he says but rather what he does not say."


Laughing

manavendra
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Phobetrix

don't you think it correlates with being left-handed or right-handed?

trysts
manavendra wrote:

@all who are interested:

I was just wondering about the ratio of people who play left-handed and right-handed otb chess. Does, it makes any difference considering our brain is divided into two halves: left and right.


Who divided your brain into two halves, manavendra? I hope you can put it back together again.Cry

Phobetrix

trysts, but EVERYTHING is composed of two halvesSealed

manavendra
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trysts
Phobetrix wrote:

trysts, but EVERYTHING is composed of two halves


Laughing

Phobetrix
manavendra wrote:
Phobetrix wrote:

don't you think it correlates with being left-handed or right-handed?


Yes, it correlates, but how does it affects one's game play. Normally, the right side of body is controlled by left hemisphere of brain and vice versa. So, would it be correct to say that left-handed people use more of their Right brain while playing Chess.

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-players/left-handed-gms


only for the physical act of moving pieces - almost certainly not for thinking

manavendra
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