Chess.com banned Hans after beating Magnus. Why?

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verylate wrote:

Certainly enhance anti-cheating measures, insofar as is possible. I would like to thank Rex Sinquefield for making the StLouis chess tournament safer than the White House. Well, given what we know about Margaritaville/Whitehouse south, that may not seem so comforting, but let's respect the intention.  I strongly suspect however that finding out what has happened has a lot less to do with Faraday cages and a lot more to do with Dunning-Kruger syndrome and things like that.

Sure, the truth is usually boring.

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Obviously Hans' performance is suspicious but until there is proof he should be reinstated and an apology should be forthcoming from all parties who have maligned him. That's the mature way to deal with a situation where you're sure you're right, but can't prove it. If Hans is cheating he will eventually either 
a) flame out and vanish
b) get caught
So there is no need to risk a reputation on pettiness. Until Danny or someone comes out and addresses this issue I will not be renewing my premium membership.

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RJ_Cartier wrote:

Obviously Hans' performance is suspicious but until there is proof he should be reinstated and an apology should be forthcoming from all parties who have maligned him. That's the mature way to deal with a situation where you're sure you're right, but can't prove it. If Hans is cheating he will eventually either 
a) flame out and vanish
b) get caught
So there is no need to risk a reputation on pettiness. Until Danny or someone comes out and addresses this issue I will not be renewing my premium membership.

Check the chess.com Twitter feed from this morning.

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Carwasher_Superdrunk wrote:

That's not what's fueling the drama. What's fueling the drama is that players have given up on tournaments on this site because they are nearly always full of sandbaggers and cheats. The correct answer to this problem is to close any and all tournaments to non-premium accounts. This is in keeping with how the USCF operated for years; you could walk into any club with no rating and no membership in the USCF and play, but if you wanted to enter a tournament, you had to pony up a membership fee (and usually another fee for the state federation, which, to me, is a whole other ripoff).

Your personal animus for chess.com tournaments has nothing to do with the drama, which is clear from reading the headlines such as "Chess world rocked by cheating accusations"

But that aside, you say the solution is to have an entry fee for every tournament... but without cash prizes (and with competitors offering free tournaments 24/7) that makes no sense. Chess.com has (or had) arena tournaments with diamond membership prizes... those had even more nefarious forms of cheating (I detected one pair of users with who made many accounts and won month after month). In other words entry fees and prizes don't solve anything, in fact it complicates things.

I agree that arena tournaments are annoying because of sandbaggers, but I think the solution is  simply not play in them. As your friend noticed, it's easy to fake being low rated.

Hans' case is a false equivalence. High profile cheaters in high profile tournaments are VERY bad for business, so of course they will put extra effort into banning people like him in tournaments like Titled Tuesday and their upcoming Global Championship.

Avatar of llama36
RJ_Cartier wrote:

Obviously Hans' performance is suspicious but until there is proof he should be reinstated and an apology should be forthcoming from all parties who have maligned him. That's the mature way to deal with a situation where you're sure you're right, but can't prove it. If Hans is cheating he will eventually either 
a) flame out and vanish
b) get caught
So there is no need to risk a reputation on pettiness. Until Danny or someone comes out and addresses this issue I will not be renewing my premium membership.

He already addressed it.

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llama36 wrote:
RJ_Cartier wrote:

Obviously Hans' performance is suspicious but until there is proof he should be reinstated and an apology should be forthcoming from all parties who have maligned him. That's the mature way to deal with a situation where you're sure you're right, but can't prove it. If Hans is cheating he will eventually either 
a) flame out and vanish
b) get caught
So there is no need to risk a reputation on pettiness. Until Danny or someone comes out and addresses this issue I will not be renewing my premium membership.

He already addressed it.

 

Who is he and what did he address? Thank you.

Avatar of jedijamiej

Why is chesscom so cryptic about the details of his online cheating?

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https://www.chess.com/blog/hiryanli/cheating-drama-in-sinquefield-cup-2022

 

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This is an embarrassment, and I believe they will lose subscriptions if he continues to be banned w/o proof. There are very good competitive chess sites out there.
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The chief arbiter of the Sinquefield Cup, Chris Bird, has issued a formal statement saying the players and games have been checked and all the games have been clean.

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SmyslovFan wrote:

The chief arbiter of the Sinquefield Cup, Chris Bird, has issued a formal statement saying the players and games have been checked and all the games have been clean.

His statement is a little more circumspect than you have characterized it.

He said there is no indication of unfair play in any of the games.  He did not declare the entire tournament "clean".  Nor could anyone, really.  It's too small a sample size to make an absolute declaration of that nature.

The most useful information in the statement is that Regan is officially using the FIDE screening tool to review games.  

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bfsl123 wrote:

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Hans had admitted to cheating in the past.

yeah

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Chess is the ultimate ego game. Chess is all about ego at ratings below 2700. Above it is ego and money. Chess is saturated with highly arrogant people. Chess is saturated with cheaters mainly for the same reason: ego issues. If you have actually played in clubs or in extended social circles you know it is how things actually happen. I do know several people who have cheated in chess personally.
One of the less obvious things about ego and chess player arrogance is (because of off chart Dunning Kruger effect hitting chess masters who view themselves at the very top of mathematical logical thinking and computer expertise) the willingness for people to believe their cheating detection is cutting edge and that no one is able to deceive them. I know titled players who will heavily insult you if you dare tell them that 'maybe' some patzer with advanced technology knowledge may trick them and get away with it. 
Tiny computers and Faraday cages are reality but people will ignore them ("muh huh metal detectors"). It is a technological race and not an easy one to win.
People should virtue signalling less and realize that what is at stake is the future of OTB competitive chess (online chess is already busted probably), which is going to be an absolute joke within 2 years if that current thing is not properly addressed and at least sensible anti-cheat measures aren't undertaken quickly.
The current situation is similar with the one you would meet if let's say you were traveling in some poor country (with not very accurate birth record or ID checks) and went to a village where people show you an very old man and claim "this is the oldest man in the world, he is 125 year olds".  Would you believe him? Well 125 is absurdly high but maybe not impossible considering that Jeanne Calment from France died at 122. Also you cannot provide any formal evidence it is a lie especially if birth records are inaccurate. If you're not highly gullible you'll realize that there is 99.999999% chances it is a lie or a mistake. Do you still believe it?

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Mr-Mudd wrote:

He looks kinda like a cheater, you can see it in his hair and eyes, so I don't really blame Chess.com for making a judgment call.  

If he gets a hair cut and cleans himself up a little they'll probably let him come back.  

Are all of your opinions based on bias? 

Let me guess Einstein was also a cheater because of his wild hair cut......

And if you wear a suit, like Putin, you are a nice guy? 

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Mr-Mudd wrote:
Andrea wrote:
Mr-Mudd wrote:

He looks kinda like a cheater, you can see it in his hair and eyes, so I don't really blame Chess.com for making a judgment call.  

If he gets a hair cut and cleans himself up a little they'll probably let him come back.  

Are all of your opinions based on bias? 

Let me guess Einstein was also a cheater because of his wild hair cut......

And if you wear a suit, like Putin, you are a nice guy? 

All opinions are biased, but that's beside the point.
Hans looks like an unhinged psychopath.  

 

Einstein is right, stupidity has no limits wink.png

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Lol chesscom literally be teaming with Magnus there ain’t no way they didn’t know he was cheating before he’s a titled player and surely they would’ve known they just “literally don’t care” it’s sad

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Mr-Mudd wrote:Hans looks like an unhinged psychopath. (...)

[edited mod SB] 

 

I've tried to report this comment: Don't know, if this is still possible. After choosing a reason, the menu simply disappeared.

Anyway, as far as I can see, some moderation is needed in this forum, isn't it?

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Hans made public a private communication with chess.com concerning violations of the terms of service, and some people are upset with chess.com lol

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Mr-Mudd escribió:

He looks kinda like a cheater, you can see it in his hair and eyes, so I don't really blame Chess.com for making a judgment call.  

If he gets a hair cut and cleans himself up a little they'll probably let him come back.  

You might as well say he looks like Mr. Hyde.

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stupidity has no limits

feeling exonerated !