Chess.com continues to promote a suicider to it's vast audience

With the Naroditsky Cup we see the continued promotion of a person who committed suicide. Why am I so against putting Naroditsky on a pedestal?

Given the large amount of impressionable kids who see this, they will think that suicide isn't as horrible as it is. It gives them the idea that you aren't at fault if you kill yourself-- that if external factors sway you one way or another, it's no wrong on your part. It wasn't your fault, it was x.

It is a selfish act, with complete disregard for the suicider's family, friends, and audience. It goes along with the immoral idea that you have total authority over your body and mind. We as a civilized society believe we have inherent responsibilities to others and ourselves.

There are two wrongs at play here. The suicide itself, and the leniency given to the suicide. Two grave scandals. The only evil that people are noting is the external variables (which are only speculation) that don't even compare to the more probable internal factors of Naroditsky's mental state.

People WILL be influenced to kill themselves, because with Naroditsky's death and the promotion of his character, they figure that suicide is not inherently wrong. If I'm wrong then let me know how.

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This is not a recreated topic. My other one was more focused on the evil committed by Naroditsky, this one is focused on the evil done by his unabashed promotion.

And I don't believe this is a crazy opinion. There are many places on earth where it's in their culture to shun anyone who killed himself, and to never even utter his name. In Christian Europe not that long ago, they would not be given a funeral and would have an unmarked grave. It's an entirely progressive idea to give suicide any leniency.

We don't yet know whether or not his cause of death is suicide. The blunt of your argument is built on speculation and is disingenuous. You are making serious judgements against Naroditsky's character based on something you don't even know is true.

Anyone can celebrate and remember the good things Naroditsky brought to the chess world and simultaneously recognize that suicide is not a good thing to do. (Not saying he did commit suicide of course). I believe that chess.com is promoting the good things Naroditsky brought to the chess world rather than promoting the act of suicide.

Considering all the circumstances it looks more like an accidental overdose. He seemed more exhausted, overwhelmed, overworked than anything else. Not exactly suicidal. There's no direct evidence of a reason behind a suicide or a note that people who do that usually write to explain themselves to loved ones. We don't know if he had become addicted to painkillers. If he felt like he needed a bigger dose to calm down. If there was a fatal mix up of substances. Like alcohol involved. When there's no way of knowing what exactly happened it's just speculation after speculation, argument after argument. I agree that remembering life rather than death seems like a good idea under the circumstances. The act of suicide is not something to promote I agree. I think what is happening also serves as a warning what kind of mess it would leave behind and I don't think that anyone would want to cause such. In the speculation of a suicide point of view. Not that it's the conformed case here because it is not. Even if it was suicide there's grieving family and friends who don't deserve to start dealing with judgments on their deceased love one in a time like this. When there's no certainty of death cause it's just better to focus on the life.

People on this site have lost their minds.

People on this site are dealing with a lot of emotions: anger, rage, sadness, frustration, depression even despair when hitting loosing streaks. It can be considered loosing their minds or u could just develop some empathy for all the people and what they are going through. Just an idea. I don't think starting to call people crazy helps. It's just putting yourself above others and eventually karma will do its job and put u lower. So I wouldn't recommend it. Stay grounded and empathize with everyone rather than judging. It's difficult sometimes but worth trying at least. If we are promoting mental health awareness here then starting with developing basic empathy is key. Empathy for yourself first and then others. Give yourself a hug for starters. Everyone is unique and deserves their place in this world. Hopefully to do some good. This whole case has only proven how important it is to take care of mental health.

Kramnik caused Naroditsky's accidental suicide.

Rofl

I knew it.

So even if it wasn't suicide, Kramnick killed him. Nice. I knew it would take that turn, and so did every other bullied snd hounded contrarian on this site.

Look.

If it wasn't suicide, there is an inconvenient truth at play. Medicine bottles come with Simple Instructions, dumbed down to a 10 year old intellect. Naroditsky was a Stanford educated Adult. it was Death by Negligence. Death by stupidity. Daniel won a Darwin Award. All on his own.

Get over it and move on.

That is a very strong statement. It's true he had a part in the mental health decline and should have remorse. The way he has decided to go about it afterwards is not good. He could have taken accountability for his part but didn't. So he must live with the guilt instead. Guilt can eat a person alive. Giving him an opportunity to become a victim himself doesn't help him recognizing the guilt and dealing with it. It only makes him defensive and attacking anyone against him. It doesn't help to change his behavior to go after him. Him recognizing and dealing with guilt would help to move on and become a better person. Stripping away tittles makes him a martyr of "the evil chess world". I would just leave him be to deal with his guilt. Giving him more attention is counterproductive.

You stand with cyberbullying? Kramnik was accusing a lot of innocent people - including Naroditsky - of cheating. This lead Naroditsky into deep depression and an accidental overdose.

Kramnick must feel guilt for what?

Several people on these many Anti-Demon forums have patiently asked for printed examples of cyberbullying by Kramnick against Naroditsky. There has been nothing persuasive.

When Kramnick made the off the cuff remark, "Don't do drugs," it triggered the whole chess world and beyond. Sure, it was crass, and yes, the timing was ... ahem... indelicate.

But was he wrong? If it's now looking like Death by Stupidity, well, Kramnick was right. Wasn't he. Don't do drugs. Follow the Simple Instructions.

Accidental suicide is by the way an oxymoron. I will not sign any ban this gm from Fide petitions because of an unresolved death case. I'm for the leave him rot with his own guilt if he doesn't want to acknowledge his part in the mental health decline "gang". Perhaps it's a one woman gang but anyway. Lol. Have a nice day everyone! Try to find something to live for. Play chess. Try to enjoy it. If you blunder analyze it and don't make the same mistakes again.

Don't do drugs is great advice! I don't want anyone to suffer. I want everyone to find a way to move on. Dealing with guilt is a good thing to move on. Nobody is perfect. We all make mistakes. Kramnik made mistakes, Daniel made mistakes. Both of them made mistakes and great achievements. There is a middle ground here that people who want to take sides are missing.

U can all hate me if it brings you happiness. If u want to keep inserting things I didn't say just to try to get a rise out of me. I have myself been cyberbullied and I know exactly how that feels. I wouldn't wish that on anybody. I would like the bullies to have remorse and move on as better people who don't need to continue with their ways. I would like them to develop empathy rather than suffer. That is my stance in this.