Chess.com Is TOXIC For Women

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Jenium wrote:
premio53 wrote:
Jenium wrote:
premio53 wrote:

Judit Polgar played at the top levels of chess.  Therefore, women in general are just as good as men.

If you are refering to me, please let me quote myself: "Judit, certainly, proved that women can compete at the highest level." So the argument is that the existence of one black swan is enough to prove the existence of black swans.

Apart from that, the fact that there are more men in the top 100, doesn't necessarily prove that men in general are better chess players, as there are also more men at the very bottom of the rating scale...

If women can compete at the highest levels of chess it would have been proven in the last 150 years without Judith being the only exception.  Inductive reasoning.  I might add if women can compete with men on a level playing field FIDE wouldn't have invented titles just for women.

 

This is not how it works. If you have seen thousands of white swans, but no black swan, you can assume that there are no black swans through inductive reasoning. However, the moment one single black swan shows up, it refutes the whole theory. You cannot say, black swans still don't exist, because this black swan didn't show up earlier...

That's why science tries to falsify their theories, and not to verify them.

 

That's how you refute deductive reasoning, not inductive reasoning.

 

All men are mortal.

I am a man.

Therefore, I am mortal.

However, if you found a man that was immortal it would refute the entire reasoning. Inductive reasoning would suggest that very few women can compete at the highest levels of chess at any given time because that is how it has always been in the past.

 

However, if you were to say:

 

Men are better than women at chess.

OP is a woman.

Therefore, she is not as good as men at chess.

 

You wouldn't even need Judit to prove this false as there are many men who are worse than women at chess and many women in the top 1% of chess players.

 

But you could look at her rating and determine that there are many men who are probably better than her and probably want to help her improve just as they would for a man with her rating.

Jenium
premio53 wrote:

I'm not talking about black swans.  I'm talking about women complaining about something men excel in and it upsets you.  Women are better multi-taskers.  Should I start a rant on it isn't fair?  Why can't men and women appreciate their differences without getting defensive? 

Well, you brought up "inductive reasoning" in order to refute my Polgar argument. So I assumed you would be down for a discussion about epistemology and the problem of induction. But if all you wanted to do is to rant about "women complaining about something" I apologize for the misunderstanding. 

premio53
Jenium wrote:
premio53 wrote:

I'm not talking about black swans.  I'm talking about women complaining about something men excel in and it upsets you.  Women are better multi-taskers.  Should I start a rant on it isn't fair?  Why can't men and women appreciate their differences without getting defensive? 

Well, you brought up "inductive reasoning" in order to refute my Polgar argument. So I assumed you would be down for a discussion about epistemology and the problem of induction. But if all you wanted to do is to rant about "women complaining about something" I apologize for the misunderstanding. 

Which one was you in this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxpX6IQ3GY4

 

DJ-KingstonK
The argument that gender has a correlation with skill sounds ridiculous to me.
Yoyostrng
Pegusu wrote:
HiramHolliday wrote:

One is merely attempting to provide a solution to a problem.

That is true, @HH, but us females should never have to lie about our gender. Would you, as a male, ever lie about your gender?

Only for a cookie! 🍪

Pegusu
Yoyostrng wrote:
Pegusu wrote:
HiramHolliday wrote:

One is merely attempting to provide a solution to a problem.

That is true, @HH, but us females should never have to lie about our gender. Would you, as a male, ever lie about your gender?

Only for a cookie! 🍪

LOL, @Yoyostrng! 🪀 

CherryMyMuffins

Hey @RemovedUsername333, I agree that the chess community can be very toxic, but that's not just to women. Yes, there are actually some people who think women are inferior in terms of intellect, and I have seen people here making tasteless sexism jokes, but these are just a minority of trolls who make very loud noises; there are also more decent people who believe otherwise. Even the existence of these trolls is not a fault of Chess.com or the chess community, it's the internet doing internet things. 

 

"I see all these grandmaster games and I feel so small. I see all these men who are respected and revered and I feel like I can never measure up."

"It's the way that Chess.com is set up. It's the way that the front page is filled with men's games and men's stories and men's voices. It's the way that the women's section is hidden away and treated like an afterthought."


Those comments are incorrect, Chess.com doesn't steer away from a gender or hide it as an afterthought, the only thing that matters is chess achievements. You win a tournament, you get your fame. In fact, Chess.com is probably more than happy to see a woman beat up Magnus Carlsen over the board. The only reason why you see so many men on the front page is simply because chess is still a male-dominated game, there are just way too few females taking an interest in chess and playing it for years. This is not an intellect issue, even the low elos are overrun by males. You can't forcefully put a woman on the front page for no reason, that is just going to create backlashes against us. 

 

"The comments from the men on Chess.com who think they know better than me, who think they can tell me what I'm doing wrong, who think they can tell me how to improve. The comments from the men who tell me I'm not good enough, who tell me I'm not worthy of their time and attention. The comments from the men who make me feel like I'm nothing."

 

I'm sorry if you felt like that, I don't think people purposefully target your gender though, it could be more about the ratings. Chess players ARE toxic in this way about rating points, if you are lower elo than others, they think they are better than you. 

InsertInterestingNameHere

around 15% of all registered chess players are women. that means a much larger percentile is men. as a result, more men will be shown, because there are simply more men playing. the women are victims of circumstance, but i don't think anybody is to blame.

blunderbus67

Seems to me that male or female, the vast majority of us are struggling every day with the game. That's not sexist.

GravyTraining
Pegusu wrote:
HiramHolliday wrote:

One is merely attempting to provide a solution to a problem.

That is true, @HH, but us females should never have to lie about our gender. Would you, as a male, ever lie about your gender?

No, but I have never gone in and said, I am a man, hey, look at me, I'm a man! Maybe I'm a furry, or a Satanist, or maybe I like dressing up in a diaper or any number of other things people would raise an eyebrow at... if I was, would it be stupid if I made my profile announcing that I'm something I'm going to get mistreated about? Of course it would. If you don't want to draw attention to your sex, don't show it. If you do, don't think any criticism is about it by default. All nails that stick out are going to get hammered down on the internet. You can choose to interact on message boards or not. Chess.com is fine with simply playing games. 

Point is, you don't have to lie about anything, just don't make a big deal about it and 99.9% of the time you'll be left alone regardless of what someone else doesn't thinks.

MakesMistakes2

You have to prove yourself in every match you play - that's chess.

brianchesscake

100% guaranteed the OP is a lonely pathetic man in his parent's basement.

There is zero sexism on this website. Please grow up and stop playing the victim card.

Derek-C-Goodwin
CherryMyMuffins wrote:

Hey @RemovedUsername333, I agree that the chess community can be very toxic, but that's not just to women. Yes, there are actually some people who think women are inferior in terms of intellect, and I have seen people here making tasteless sexism jokes, but these are just a minority of trolls who make very loud noises; there are also more decent people who believe otherwise. Even the existence of these trolls is not a fault of Chess.com or the chess community, it's the internet doing internet things. 

 

"I see all these grandmaster games and I feel so small. I see all these men who are respected and revered and I feel like I can never measure up."

"It's the way that Chess.com is set up. It's the way that the front page is filled with men's games and men's stories and men's voices. It's the way that the women's section is hidden away and treated like an afterthought."


Those comments are incorrect, Chess.com doesn't steer away from a gender or hide it as an afterthought, the only thing that matters is chess achievements. You win a tournament, you get your fame. In fact, Chess.com is probably more than happy to see a woman beat up Magnus Carlsen over the board. The only reason why you see so many men on the front page is simply because chess is still a male-dominated game, there are just way too few females taking an interest in chess and playing it for years. This is not an intellect issue, even the low elos are overrun by males. You can't forcefully put a woman on the front page for no reason, that is just going to create backlashes against us. 

 

"The comments from the men on Chess.com who think they know better than me, who think they can tell me what I'm doing wrong, who think they can tell me how to improve. The comments from the men who tell me I'm not good enough, who tell me I'm not worthy of their time and attention. The comments from the men who make me feel like I'm nothing."

 

I'm sorry if you felt like that, I don't think people purposefully target your gender though, it could be more about the ratings. Chess players ARE toxic in this way about rating points, if you are lower elo than others, they think they are better than you. 

This ends this thread. An excellent and great interjection.

 

Carwasher_Superdrunk

Typical. The political correctness never ends.

Pegusu
GravyTraining wrote:
Pegusu wrote:
HiramHolliday wrote:

One is merely attempting to provide a solution to a problem.

That is true, @HH, but us females should never have to lie about our gender. Would you, as a male, ever lie about your gender?

No, but I have never gone in and said, I am a man, hey, look at me, I'm a man! Maybe I'm a furry, or a Satanist, or maybe I like dressing up in a diaper or any number of other things people would raise an eyebrow at... if I was, would it be stupid if I made my profile announcing that I'm something I'm going to get mistreated about? Of course it would. If you don't want to draw attention to your sex, don't show it. If you do, don't think any criticism is about it by default. All nails that stick out are going to get hammered down on the internet. You can choose to interact on message boards or not. Chess.com is fine with simply playing games. 

Point is, you don't have to lie about anything, just don't make a big deal about it and 99.9% of the time you'll be left alone regardless of what someone else doesn't thinks.

I agree - gender should not be hidden or proclaimed - it should be irrelevant.  

Yakrussel
CherryMyMuffins wrote:

I'm sorry if you felt like that, I don't think people purposefully target your gender though, it could be more about the ratings. Chess players ARE toxic in this way about rating points, if you are lower elo than others, they think they are better than you. 

I am low ELO and i agree with you lots, I don't think its intentional sexism. I did see a reddit post very similar to this on r/chess, I will try and find it

Yakrussel

I found it https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/x55li5/sexism_in_chess/

duntcare

your getting help because your bad, not because your a women

a 2000 would probably also comment on my games because he's a far higher skill level than me and im bad 

youve played for like 30 days so your relatively new to the game, not sure why you would complain about free help

yeah you feel so small because you spent so much less time than the top players in the world, i dont know wqhy your going for an "anti sexist" point of view when you then proceed to say its because of gender that your bad or something, theres a lot of games on male grandmasters because THERES MORE MALE GRANDMASTERS, i dont know what narrative your pushing, sure we can "diversify" chess by promoting it to both genders but that still takes time and you cant just give skill to people or something

Kowarenai

you are kind of wrong about the list thing also i don't think the chess world is mean to female players, maybe back in fischers era or some weird jerks but the dominant edge kinda still stands

Kowarenai
duntcare wrote:

your getting help because your bad, not because your a women

a 2000 would probably also comment on my games because he's a far higher skill level than me and im bad 

youve played for like 30 days so your relatively new to the game, not sure why you would complain about free help

yeah you feel so small because you spent so much less time than the top players in the world, i dont know wqhy your going for an "anti sexist" point of view when you then proceed to say its because of gender that your bad or something, theres a lot of games on male grandmasters because THERES MORE MALE GRANDMASTERS, i dont know what narrative your pushing, sure we can "diversify" chess by promoting it to both genders but that still takes time and you cant just give skill to people or something

hi dunt

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