Chess.com or Lichess?

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Chess.Com

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bumpathesecond wrote:

Lichess if you are an experienced player. Chess.com if you are a beginner.

I like getting matched against titled players. On Lichess, that has happened about a dozen times. On chessdotcom, I have about 200 wins against titled players (probably 800 games).

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A lot of people are confused and overly focused on the ratings difference between the two. The rating variance doesn't matter. Besides, a great deal of the rating variance is explained in #277.

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Chess dot com has vastly more players, more cheaters, and not surprisingly, a higher percentage of complete beginners. It is by far the more popular site.

For strong players, chess dot com offers far more competition.

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Ziryab wrote:

Chess dot com has vastly more players, more cheaters, and not surprisingly, a higher percentage of complete beginners. It is by far the more popular site.

For strong players, chess dot com offers far more competition.

Chess.com has a far greater percentage of cheaters/accounts than Lichess. That is most likely because chess.com has a much younger user base and a much higher percentage of kids. Your point about more strong competition on chess.com is a good one though. But it is also due to the fact that chess.com has far more accounts--including, presumably, titled players.

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bumpathesecond wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

Chess dot com has vastly more players, more cheaters, and not surprisingly, a higher percentage of complete beginners. It is by far the more popular site.

For strong players, chess dot com offers far more competition.

Chess.com has a far greater percentage of cheaters/accounts than Lichess. That is most likely because chess.com has a much younger user base and a much higher percentage of kids. Your point about more strong competition on chess.com is a good one though. But it is also due to the fact that chess.com has far more accounts--including, presumably, titled players.

Probably not just kids cheating but more accounts usually means more cheating

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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
bumpathesecond wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

Chess dot com has vastly more players, more cheaters, and not surprisingly, a higher percentage of complete beginners. It is by far the more popular site.

For strong players, chess dot com offers far more competition.

Chess.com has a far greater percentage of cheaters/accounts than Lichess. That is most likely because chess.com has a much younger user base and a much higher percentage of kids. Your point about more strong competition on chess.com is a good one though. But it is also due to the fact that chess.com has far more accounts--including, presumably, titled players.

Probably not just kids cheating but more accounts usually means more cheating

you are missing my point. greater percentage of cheaters is part of the reason for the ratings variance.

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bumpathesecond wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
bumpathesecond wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

Chess dot com has vastly more players, more cheaters, and not surprisingly, a higher percentage of complete beginners. It is by far the more popular site.

For strong players, chess dot com offers far more competition.

Chess.com has a far greater percentage of cheaters/accounts than Lichess. That is most likely because chess.com has a much younger user base and a much higher percentage of kids. Your point about more strong competition on chess.com is a good one though. But it is also due to the fact that chess.com has far more accounts--including, presumably, titled players.

Probably not just kids cheating but more accounts usually means more cheating

you are missing my point. greater percentage of cheaters is part of the reason for the ratings variance.

Part of it but also the style is different chess.com is far more positional in play usually and lichess more tactical in my experience also the starting point of beginners is much higher but yes I think cheating plays part of the roll in that

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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
bumpathesecond wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
bumpathesecond wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

Chess dot com has vastly more players, more cheaters, and not surprisingly, a higher percentage of complete beginners. It is by far the more popular site.

For strong players, chess dot com offers far more competition.

Chess.com has a far greater percentage of cheaters/accounts than Lichess. That is most likely because chess.com has a much younger user base and a much higher percentage of kids. Your point about more strong competition on chess.com is a good one though. But it is also due to the fact that chess.com has far more accounts--including, presumably, titled players.

Probably not just kids cheating but more accounts usually means more cheating

you are missing my point. greater percentage of cheaters is part of the reason for the ratings variance.

Part of it but also the style is different chess.com is far more positional in play usually and lichess more tactical in my experience also the starting point of beginners is much higher but yes I think cheating plays part of the roll in that

Agreed. Lichess starting ranking is something like 1500 whereas Chess.com's is flexible. But on either site you eventually find equilibrium, so the variance really doesnt matter much. With respect to more titled players on Chess.com than Lichess, Chess.com incentivizes titled players where Lichess does not.

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Lichess because I’m pretty sure it’s not blocked at my school🤣
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twoset_tiger wrote:
Lichess because I’m pretty sure it’s not blocked at my school🤣

its the opposite with my school. Lichess is blocked, while chess.com isn't

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So, now we’re evaluating websites on the basis of whether those trying to get students focused on learning language, math, history have blocked them or not. Strange, and extremely short-sighted criteria.

You kids probably will graduate. Then, if you can afford internet because you are employed, you’ll be able to choose where to play and study chess.

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Ziryab wrote:

So, now we’re evaluating websites on the basis of whether those trying to get students focused on learning language, math, history have blocked them or not. Strange, and extremely short-sighted criteria.

You kids probably will graduate. Then, if you can afford internet because you are employed, you’ll be able to choose where to play and study chess.

Well think about it like this if it's blocked why play it

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llama_l wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

So, now we’re evaluating websites on the basis of whether those trying to get students focused on learning language, math, history have blocked them or not. Strange, and extremely short-sighted criteria.

You kids probably will graduate. Then, if you can afford internet because you are employed, you’ll be able to choose where to play and study chess.

When I found out that chess.com helps kids bypass their school's block on their site, I found that disgraceful.

Making a generation of kids dumber for the sake of next quarter's earnings... good job capitalism.

Not really the schools block systems go too far they block pretty much everything even educational sites sometimes maybe it's sort of wrong but the schools need to have a better way than just blocking it it makes kids want to bypass it more

Fun fact none of the other sites that bypass blocking for chess.com doesn't work at my school

The only link that works is chess.com

Links like schoolschoolschool.com (or smth like jat ) doenst work

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capitalism, if it were a person, would be a sociopath.

all that matters is money. now that cc has become all about the money, you can guess what it says about the owner(s).

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lichess is easier to use and give the user more options such as who you play, what color, time control, and playing unrated.

chess.com is better at daily chess.

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llama_l wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
llama_l wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

So, now we’re evaluating websites on the basis of whether those trying to get students focused on learning language, math, history have blocked them or not. Strange, and extremely short-sighted criteria.

You kids probably will graduate. Then, if you can afford internet because you are employed, you’ll be able to choose where to play and study chess.

When I found out that chess.com helps kids bypass their school's block on their site, I found that disgraceful.

Making a generation of kids dumber for the sake of next quarter's earnings... good job capitalism.

Not really the schools block systems go too far

Yes, this is the kid side of the argument.

It's not a very interesting argument, but I understand that it exists.

It isn't that interesting that's true but actually it's super annoying for the teachers to a good chunk of my teachers complain about how the school blocks stuff more than most schools blocking alot of stuff limits educational resources even if it limits some bad things sometimes it makes teaching more obnoxious it doesn't seem too bad but occasionally it's a pain if you want to let's say for example watch a movie and try to get these kids to analyze based off of what happened (honestly the kids can bypass it anyway some know how to code and other things )

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wickedNH wrote:

lichess is easier to use and give the user more options such as who you play, what color, time control, and playing unrated.

All those options exist on chessdotcom. Moreover, with a larger pool, your seeks get taken faster.

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Ziryab wrote:
wickedNH wrote:

lichess is easier to use and give the user more options such as who you play, what color, time control, and playing unrated.

All those options exist on chessdotcom. Moreover, with a larger pool, your seeks get taken faster.

I thought lichess was faster with pairings plus it's easier to reach the open challenge pool of its slow

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I can't see a lobby on chess.com and everytime you want to play unrated you have to change the settings. Unrated is good because there is a lot less you know what.