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lol

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LawAndOrderKing wrote:

Uh your not playing the same guy everytime.

You're not playing the exact same person, but multiple people do this and the traps are always the exact same sequences. It's irritating because such an opponent usually has no clue of what they're doing and is just trying to brute force all book traps they know until they're lucky enough to get an advantage against an inattentive player.

A fun chess game imo is when you have to apply your strategical and tactical knowledge in an unfamiliar situation against an opponent playing their best. It's not rewarding to win/lose against people relying on traps, there's nothing exciting and nothing to be learned from the game. Just boring old "If I hadn't been so bored by my opponent's playing / had been familiar with this trap, I would've had a simple win". It's a little bit like the difference between a human typing on a keyboard and a monkey typing on a keyboard. Sure, they technically can both make a coherent sentence, but the monkey doesn't actually have a clue of what he's doing. He just memorized the trick enough times to type one specific sentence faster than the human. 

It's the difference between winning because you're better and winning because you're lucky.

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Dont agree. Inattentive also means worse player. It makes no sense to play at your best against a player who's inattentive and is looking for a joy of a sophisticated clever game. To wish so you also have to be at your best. 
You have to deserve that. For as long as you make simple mistakes because you are inattentive, you will get what you get. 

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Traps, delay tactics, infinite resistance, is part of the game! Opponents do not simply play the way you would prefer to play because you prefer it. Either gird your loins for a fight or take up tiddlywinks.

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I never said an inattentive player doesn't deserve to lose, nor did I say that playing the best move justifies being an inattentive player(that doesn't even make sense, how can you fall for a trap if you play the best move) my point is that the inattentive players are the only ones that lose because of traps. No one else. So people that use traps basically just don't want to put any mental effort into a game(so why play chess?).

Playing traps isn't really a playing style, just a lazy way of getting a win. No serious chess player actually uses traps, only people who don't take chess seriously or use traps more as party tricks.  

 

And yes, real chess IS playing the best possible move in your position. That's why we analyze our games with an engine, because they don't show you the sneaky moves, they show you the BEST move. Our goal as chess players is to improve isn't it? How can we progress if we keep playing stupid traps? 

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OldChessDog wrote:

Traps, delay tactics, infinite resistance, is part of the game! Opponents do not simply play the way you would prefer to play because you prefer it. Either gird your loins for a fight or take up tiddlywinks.

 

No, I'm not picky about how my opponents play. They can play anyway they want, as long as they try to play their best. Not waste my time and an interesting position by trying to set up some stupid trap, just because they're too weak/lazy to play something decent. It's not as if I'm more likely to lose when my opponents use traps, quite the opposite, because failed traps almost always lead to a much better position for the player that actually puts some mental effort into the game.

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Yeah, it annoys me when players play "E4" or "D4" and then respond with the C,D, or E pawns.

I mean that is so unoriginal and lazy! They should play their own opening!
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VicountVonJames wrote:
Yeah, it annoys me when players play "E4" or "D4" and then respond with the C,D, or E pawns.

I mean that is so unoriginal and lazy! They should play their own opening!

 
Playing a perfectly fine opening /= setting up a trap. 

The difference is that an engine will accept a perfectly fine opening(okay maybe not the king's gambit, but for most levels of chess, the disadvantage is negligible), but never a trap. 

The point is, these players know that the trap gives them a disadvantage, but they play it anyway in the hope of the opponent making a mistake, which is stupid and against the entire idea of chess. 

 

It's like trying to distract the goalkeeper by throwing a piece of paper at their face during a soccer game. Yes you could do such a thing, and yes technically the goalkeeper just shouldn't have gotten disctracted, but what value does a goal have in such circumstances?

 

You need to take elo, winning and losing less seriously and focus on having fun. Playing traps over and over again is not fun. Especially not for an opponent who's expecting to play a good game and not waste their time on a ridiculous position that would've never taken place in a serious game. It greatly diminishes the fun of winning for me, because if I win, it's only because my opponent was stupid enough to play a trap, not because I bested him.

 

 

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Nino_98 wrote:

I never said an inattentive player doesn't deserve to lose, nor did I say that playing the best move justifies being an inattentive player(that doesn't even make sense, how can you fall for a trap if you play the best move) my point is that the inattentive players are the only ones that lose because of traps. No one else. So people that use traps basically just don't want to put any mental effort into a game(so why play chess?).

Playing traps isn't really a playing style, just a lazy way of getting a win. No serious chess player actually uses traps, only people who don't take chess seriously or use traps more as party tricks.  

 

And yes, real chess IS playing the best possible move in your position. That's why we analyze our games with an engine, because they don't show you the sneaky moves, they show you the BEST move. Our goal as chess players is to improve isn't it? How can we progress if we keep playing stupid traps? 

We have a saying, you don't shoot flies with a canon. I don't know, but honestly, you just play so well and see one stupid mistake after another. 
Like this, you can complain about traps, about opponent too careful instead of thinking a bold top-of-his-mind strategy, about opponent being too conventional and not trying enough risky stuff.. 
If I learned anything in life, you should not aim to change others' behavior. It's only your behavior you can change. If you play top of the game, without making silly mistakes, you'll have a good opportunity to enjoy the game.