Chess coordinate system difficulties

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falcogrine

Good to know I'm not crazy

azbobcat
FN_Perfect_Idiot wrote:

It can be quite embarressing. Sometimes when someone tells me to move a piece to h6 for example I freeze up or worse still move to the wrong square and they look at me like I'm an idiot.

I wonder if a better system would be to divide the board into quadrants A,B,C,D. And subquadrants q,x,y,z, then numbers 1-4.

So Ax2 would be a3 for example.

Well there *is* another type of notation. It is called DESCRIPTIVE NOTATION, which is what I grew up on, and in which most of your older chess books were written in. In DESCRIPTIVE NOTATION you name the piece that is moving -- P,R, N, (or Kt), B, K, Q -- and the  name of square it is moving to, and whether it is on the King's side of the board, or the Queen's side. You count from your side 1-8 and from your opponents side from his perspective  1-8. It  typical opening in  DESCRIPTIVE NOTATION would look like this: 1. P-K4, P-K4 2. N-KB3, N-QB3 3. N-QB3 N-KB3 4. P-KN3, P-QN3  5. B-KN2, B-QN2, etc. 

The exact same move order  in Algabraic notation would be: 1. e4, e5  2. N-f3, N-c6  3. N-c3, N-f6  4 g3, b6  5. B-g2, B-b7. 

If it  help squares a-d are squares always on the QUEEN's side of the board; squares e-h, are always on the KING's side of the  board. Then all you  have to  know how  to do  is COUNT from 1-8 starting from WHITE's point of view.

It  is  really EASY. I  have  ZERO problem reading Algebraic notation, but recording is a different problem,  as I grew up  using  DESCRIPTIVE NOTATION, and still THINK in DESCRIPTIVE. If you are just  starting  out Algebraic is the way  to go.  Here are the  skills you  need in  order:

1: Be able to  distinguish  between  the KING's Side and     the QUEEN's Side of the board.

2: Remember that a-d belongs to the QUEEN's Side and e-h is the KING's Side

3: Be able to coujnt from 1-8 starting from WHITE's back rank

4: Only  major pieces -- Rooks, Knights, Bishop, King,  and Queen have  a designation,   pawns are  designated, only by the square to which it moves.

5. The name of the  piece comes first followed by a "dash" and followed by  the square to  which  it  moves.

6. A capture is desigantion by an  "x"

7. A king  side Castling  is designated as 0-0, and a Queen side Castling as 0-0-0

8. In the rare event that either the King  side Rook (Knight, Bishop) can occupy  the same  sqaur as the Queen side Rook (Knight, Bishop) then you have to designate the piece and  the squre that it is  leaving  from and going to ex:  Nc3 x e5 vs Ng4 x e5 ; or maybe Ra5 - e5 vs Rh5 - e5.

If you can't master these skills within  a day, I suggest you take up some other sport --  that or limit yourself to skittle games, as chess was not  meant for you.

FN_Perfect_Idiot

Thanks for the feedback azbobcat, you had an interesting, but in my opinion, quite complex system. You signed off with:

"If you can't master these skills within  a day, I suggest you take up some other sport --  that or limit yourself to skittle games, as chess was not  meant for you."

The way I feel about this comment is:

A) You don't yet have a rating so If I was you I wouldn't be so judgmental.

2) I win/won plenty of games and even post commentary analysis.

3) Whats easy for you isn't neccessarily easy for me.

4) I have been playing for 20 years and still have trouble with notation so I am unlikely to give up after 1 more day.

I'm sure theres plenty of things I find easy that others find difficult, but giving up isn't an optimal solution.

Irontiger

I grew up with algebraic notation. I cannot say I regret it.

And with metric system too, which I do not regret either. Same cause, same effects...

If you put aside the familiarity with either, algebraic notation is objectively easier to use. Maybe it takes a bit of time to get in your skull, but once it is in there, you do not even think about what square it is.

FN_Perfect_Idiot
 
 
I really like this idea. This way you can associate an image with a square and it makes memorising easier.
learningthemoves
FN_Perfect_Idiot wrote:
 
 
 
I really like this idea. This way you can associate an image with a square and it makes memorising easier.

Your story has touched my heart and you may just be onto something there.

sudden-change
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