Chess is a Sport.

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LeraiOg
Optimissed wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
QuarteredFOV wrote:
“I argue that in a game of chess exertion and stress and intertwined” No. They’re not. There’s no physical exertion.
This is why the discussion is always futile.
To the ‘yes’ camp, it’s an ideology - and you can’t argue with ideologues.
You want chess to be a sport, listen to blueemu. Kettlebell / farmer’s walk chess. That would UNDOUBTEDLY be a sport.
And here’s the bottom line science that no one will care about anyway: While levels elevated through exertion are generally good for you, levels elevated through stress are generally not 🤷‍♂️
Chess is amazing in SO MANY WAYS!!!
I dare someone to find a more cognitively challenging game or (in my opinion) fun.
But come to a sports science/medicine center. That drunk guy playing darts in bar? We literally have more for him than we do for you.
Outside of general fitness and posture when sitting, we actually have *nothing* for you.
Love the game for what it *is*. Don’t demand that it be something it’s not, or fill a role that it. quite. simply. can’t.
I always try to promote health and fitness. Help people live longer, stronger, happier lives. This website, because of THIS useless, ongoing conversation, is where I fail.
So I’m out. It’s too nice a day for futility.

You simply cannot argue that a game of dart-throwing classifies more of a sport than a game of chess.

In an average game of chess the players make an average of 40 moves - 40 pieces lifted off a square and placed onto another. In a game of darts according to their official rules you are limited to but 3 darts to be thrown.

I am not discrediting darts in any regard I think it is a fun way to spend your time but it is evident that both sports Chess and Darts require skill, precision, mental prowess, and technique to achieve victory. It is important to note that the amount of exertion is not nessecarily a reason why a sport shouldn't be a sport as evident in darts.

Robert Sapolsky a neuroendocrinology researcher from Standford University reported that in a single day in a chess tournament based setting that he could burn a whopping 6000-7000 calories compared to darts mere 85 calories a day.

Moving a piece in chess is also apart of the game... what's your point here

Possibly, Sapolsky was completely crazy and that accounted for his over-heated heated brain.

"Moving a piece means it's a sport!" There would be a lot of clever retorts to that but I'll play it straight. There's no particular skill or strength in the way a chess piece is moved that could qualify chess as a sport.

Just accept that you think chess is a sport and most people disagree with you?

Thus is the reactance theory.

lfPatriotGames
LeraiOg wrote:
654Psyfox wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
654Psyfox wrote:

Chess is not, and should never be considered to be a sport.

If stress and increased heart rate is all that is needed for something to be considered to be a sport, then doing a math test would be considered a sport.

It is recognized by the Internation Olympic Committee as a sport who are you to say that it shouldn't even be considered as a sport.

By considering chess as a sport, now every single board game could also be considered one. Is playing candyland, chutes and ladders, or monopoly a sport? I think the answer is obvious.

Did you even read what you are replying to? The most authoritative figure of what is and what is not a sport, recognizes chess as a sport. This is aimed at many.

Who said the IOC is any authority on what is a sport? I don't recall anyone ever granting that authority. At one time poetry was in the Olympic games. Is that a sport? Because, you know, it's so physically exhausting and everything.

LeraiOg
lfPatriotGames wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
654Psyfox wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
654Psyfox wrote:

Chess is not, and should never be considered to be a sport.

If stress and increased heart rate is all that is needed for something to be considered to be a sport, then doing a math test would be considered a sport.

It is recognized by the Internation Olympic Committee as a sport who are you to say that it shouldn't even be considered as a sport.

By considering chess as a sport, now every single board game could also be considered one. Is playing candyland, chutes and ladders, or monopoly a sport? I think the answer is obvious.

Did you even read what you are replying to? The most authoritative figure of what is and what is not a sport, recognizes chess as a sport. This is aimed at many.

Who said the IOC is any authority on what is a sport? I don't recall anyone ever granting that authority. At one time poetry was in the Olympic games. Is that a sport? Because, you know, it's so physically exhausting and everything.

Who do you believe has the authority of what is and what is not a sport than the organizers of the Olympics, the largest display of various sports around the world.

lfPatriotGames
LeraiOg wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
654Psyfox wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
654Psyfox wrote:

Chess is not, and should never be considered to be a sport.

If stress and increased heart rate is all that is needed for something to be considered to be a sport, then doing a math test would be considered a sport.

It is recognized by the Internation Olympic Committee as a sport who are you to say that it shouldn't even be considered as a sport.

By considering chess as a sport, now every single board game could also be considered one. Is playing candyland, chutes and ladders, or monopoly a sport? I think the answer is obvious.

Did you even read what you are replying to? The most authoritative figure of what is and what is not a sport, recognizes chess as a sport. This is aimed at many.

Who said the IOC is any authority on what is a sport? I don't recall anyone ever granting that authority. At one time poetry was in the Olympic games. Is that a sport? Because, you know, it's so physically exhausting and everything.

Who do you believe has the authority of what is and what is not a sport than the organizers of the Olympics, the largest display of various sports around the world.

I believe the consensus has the authority. The dictionary defines sport as a recreational activity with physical skill needed. There are other definitions, but the most common ones all require physical skill. Which chess has none. Chess is about as close to a NON sport as you can get.

Most dictionaries, as well as most people, (including chess players) recognize chess is a board game. Not a sport. The IOC governs the Olympic games, which is why it has included games and activities generally not considered sports. Like architecture and poetry. Do you believe architecture and poetry are sports?

StingRayBlitzer
LeraiOg wrote:

After conducting months of research I have irrefutably concluded that Chess, a board game, a strategy game, a competition, an art, along with other names used to describe this beautiful game is also a Sport.

According to the Cambridge English dictionary, one of the most reputable publishers in our time the definition of a sport is: a game, competition, or activity needing physical effort and skill that is played or done according to rules, for enjoyment and/or as a job.

Following this definition it is undisputed that Chess is all of those except the arguably most important definition to what is, and is not a sport; that is an activity needing physical effort.

In the study "The stress of chess players as a model to study the effectsof psychological stimuli on physiological responses: an exampleof substrate oxidation and heart rate variability in man" published in December 2008 by the European Journal of Applied Phycology, an experiment was conducted on 20 males to see the cardiovascular implications of playing chess, and it noticed an increase of blood pressure, heart rate and the rate of respiration.

This is precisely what an activity needing physical effort entails. In conclusion, yes Chess is a sport alongside being a fun board game, strategy game, competition, and a form of art. Chess should be viewed as a sport and professional chess players should be viewed as athlete's in their own regard.

If a game of darts is virtually accepted as being a sport then why not chess? The International Olympic Committee as well as over 100 countries recognize chess as a sport so why shouldn't we? In addition to this many Chess athlete's earn millions from practising their sport - Grandmaster Magnus Carlsen one of the most pronounced chess athlete's in the whole world has earned approximately 9 million euros off prize funds let alone money from sponsorship deals.

I hope this post radically changes your perspective on chess and feel free to share!

Tóg go bog é

Although I got bored from reading a quarter into the post, I do agree that chess is a sport.

LeraiOg
lfPatriotGames wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
654Psyfox wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
654Psyfox wrote:

Chess is not, and should never be considered to be a sport.

If stress and increased heart rate is all that is needed for something to be considered to be a sport, then doing a math test would be considered a sport.

It is recognized by the Internation Olympic Committee as a sport who are you to say that it shouldn't even be considered as a sport.

By considering chess as a sport, now every single board game could also be considered one. Is playing candyland, chutes and ladders, or monopoly a sport? I think the answer is obvious.

Did you even read what you are replying to? The most authoritative figure of what is and what is not a sport, recognizes chess as a sport. This is aimed at many.

Who said the IOC is any authority on what is a sport? I don't recall anyone ever granting that authority. At one time poetry was in the Olympic games. Is that a sport? Because, you know, it's so physically exhausting and everything.

Who do you believe has the authority of what is and what is not a sport than the organizers of the Olympics, the largest display of various sports around the world.

I believe the consensus has the authority. The dictionary defines sport as a recreational activity with physical skill needed. There are other definitions, but the most common ones all require physical skill. Which chess has none. Chess is about as close to a NON sport as you can get.

Most dictionaries, as well as most people, (including chess players) recognize chess is a board game. Not a sport. The IOC governs the Olympic games, which is why it has included games and activities generally not considered sports. Like architecture and poetry. Do you believe architecture and poetry are sports?

No, poetry is not recognized as a sport by the IOC. IIRC it was dropped as an event from the Olympic games in 1948.... Where are you getting this from may I ask?

LeraiOg
Optimissed wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:

After conducting months of research I have irrefutably concluded that Chess, a board game, a strategy game, a competition, an art, along with other names used to describe this beautiful game is also a Sport.

According to the Cambridge English dictionary, one of the most reputable publishers in our time the definition of a sport is: a game, competition, or activity needing physical effort and skill that is played or done according to rules, for enjoyment and/or as a job.

Following this definition it is undisputed that Chess is all of those except the arguably most important definition to what is, and is not a sport; that is an activity needing physical effort.

Quite right, sorry, I didn't read it properly. I'm one of those who rarely answers this kind of topic.

It's quite clear that the dictionary in question defines sport as "a game, competition, or activity needing physical effort and skill that is played or done according to rules" so clearly chess doesn't qualify as a sport according to the Cambridge Dictionary. So was that your reason for thinking it's not a sport?

I do believe that chess is a sport please read it correctly next time.

lfPatriotGames
LeraiOg wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
654Psyfox wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
654Psyfox wrote:

Chess is not, and should never be considered to be a sport.

If stress and increased heart rate is all that is needed for something to be considered to be a sport, then doing a math test would be considered a sport.

It is recognized by the Internation Olympic Committee as a sport who are you to say that it shouldn't even be considered as a sport.

By considering chess as a sport, now every single board game could also be considered one. Is playing candyland, chutes and ladders, or monopoly a sport? I think the answer is obvious.

Did you even read what you are replying to? The most authoritative figure of what is and what is not a sport, recognizes chess as a sport. This is aimed at many.

Who said the IOC is any authority on what is a sport? I don't recall anyone ever granting that authority. At one time poetry was in the Olympic games. Is that a sport? Because, you know, it's so physically exhausting and everything.

Who do you believe has the authority of what is and what is not a sport than the organizers of the Olympics, the largest display of various sports around the world.

I believe the consensus has the authority. The dictionary defines sport as a recreational activity with physical skill needed. There are other definitions, but the most common ones all require physical skill. Which chess has none. Chess is about as close to a NON sport as you can get.

Most dictionaries, as well as most people, (including chess players) recognize chess is a board game. Not a sport. The IOC governs the Olympic games, which is why it has included games and activities generally not considered sports. Like architecture and poetry. Do you believe architecture and poetry are sports?

No, poetry is not recognized as a sport by the IOC. IIRC it was dropped as an event from the Olympic games in 1948.... Where are you getting this from may I ask?

It seems like you are saying the IOC, which governs the Olympic games, is an authority on what is or is not a sport. And since poetry (and other things like music and architecture) were at one time in the Olympic games, it's worth asking if you believe those are also sports.

Hopefully you understand that, over time, games in the Olympics change. Their priorities change, their opinions change. At some point the definition of sport might also change. Right now chess is precluded from being a sport, but that could change.

Think of it this way, I'm sure in some jurisdictions chess is considered a sport. Maybe some schools, cities, or even some countries. But they don't decide what is or is not a sport. Just as the IOC doesn't decide,

We decide. And our collective opinion ends up in a dictionary. But right now, the collective opinion is that chess is a board game, not a sport.

LeraiOg
lfPatriotGames wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
654Psyfox wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
654Psyfox wrote:

Chess is not, and should never be considered to be a sport.

If stress and increased heart rate is all that is needed for something to be considered to be a sport, then doing a math test would be considered a sport.

It is recognized by the Internation Olympic Committee as a sport who are you to say that it shouldn't even be considered as a sport.

By considering chess as a sport, now every single board game could also be considered one. Is playing candyland, chutes and ladders, or monopoly a sport? I think the answer is obvious.

Did you even read what you are replying to? The most authoritative figure of what is and what is not a sport, recognizes chess as a sport. This is aimed at many.

Who said the IOC is any authority on what is a sport? I don't recall anyone ever granting that authority. At one time poetry was in the Olympic games. Is that a sport? Because, you know, it's so physically exhausting and everything.

Who do you believe has the authority of what is and what is not a sport than the organizers of the Olympics, the largest display of various sports around the world.

I believe the consensus has the authority. The dictionary defines sport as a recreational activity with physical skill needed. There are other definitions, but the most common ones all require physical skill. Which chess has none. Chess is about as close to a NON sport as you can get.

Most dictionaries, as well as most people, (including chess players) recognize chess is a board game. Not a sport. The IOC governs the Olympic games, which is why it has included games and activities generally not considered sports. Like architecture and poetry. Do you believe architecture and poetry are sports?

No, poetry is not recognized as a sport by the IOC. IIRC it was dropped as an event from the Olympic games in 1948.... Where are you getting this from may I ask?

It seems like you are saying the IOC, which governs the Olympic games, is an authority on what is or is not a sport. And since poetry (and other things like music and architecture) were at one time in the Olympic games, it's worth asking if you believe those are also sports.

Hopefully you understand that, over time, games in the Olympics change. Their priorities change, their opinions change. At some point the definition of sport might also change. Right now chess is precluded from being a sport, but that could change.

Think of it this way, I'm sure in some jurisdictions chess is considered a sport. Maybe some schools, cities, or even some countries. But they don't decide what is or is not a sport. Just as the IOC doesn't decide,

We decide. And our collective opinion ends up in a dictionary. But right now, the collective opinion is that chess is a board game, not a sport.

Who is 'we' lol. Chess IS a sport. How is Poetry being apart of the Olympic games have anything to do with it being a sport or not. No-one in the IOC has ever mentioned poetry being a sport, please conduct your research before typing.

Although like chess my forearms are getting slighting larger everytime I reply to your unsubstantial comments.

lfPatriotGames

Lerai

We is everyone. You, me, and everyone else on this planet. Collectively we have decided chess is a board game, not a sport. Which is why definitions in the dictionary reflect that.

The reason I bring up poetry (as well as other Olympic events) is because at one time the IOC recognized those as Olympic events. You seem to believe that if the IOC recognizes it, then it must be a sport. Which would mean poetry is more a sport than chess because chess has not been in the Olympic games, poetry has.

Or do you simply believe that only the current opinion of the IOC is all that matters? In other words do you believe because the IOC recognized it, poetry used to be a sport, but now it isn't?

Wits-end

Really? Again? 🤦‍♂️

LeraiOg
lfPatriotGames wrote:

Lerai

We is everyone. You, me, and everyone else on this planet. Collectively we have decided chess is a board game, not a sport. Which is why definitions in the dictionary reflect that.

The reason I bring up poetry (as well as other Olympic events) is because at one time the IOC recognized those as Olympic events. You seem to believe that if the IOC recognizes it, then it must be a sport. Which would mean poetry is more a sport than chess because chess has not been in the Olympic games, poetry has.

Or do you simply believe that only the current opinion of the IOC is all that matters? In other words do you believe because the IOC recognized it, poetry used to be a sport, but now it isn't?

Again where are your sources that poetry was a sport? I think you have pulled these claims straight out of do thóin.

You believe that everyone has formed a conscensus that chess is not a sport which is obviously not true as many articles and publications have been made on why chess is a sport.

Tread lightly.

LeraiOg
Optimissed wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:

After conducting months of research I have irrefutably concluded that Chess, a board game, a strategy game, a competition, an art, along with other names used to describe this beautiful game is also a Sport.

According to the Cambridge English dictionary, one of the most reputable publishers in our time the definition of a sport is: a game, competition, or activity needing physical effort and skill that is played or done according to rules, for enjoyment and/or as a job.

Following this definition it is undisputed that Chess is all of those except the arguably most important definition to what is, and is not a sport; that is an activity needing physical effort.

Quite right, sorry, I didn't read it properly. I'm one of those who rarely answers this kind of topic.

It's quite clear that the dictionary in question defines sport as "a game, competition, or activity needing physical effort and skill that is played or done according to rules" so clearly chess doesn't qualify as a sport according to the Cambridge Dictionary. So was that your reason for thinking it's not a sport?

I do believe that chess is a sport please read it correctly next time.

Yes, I thought you wrote that you believed it's a sport. I can't help being confused, because I can't work out why you introduced your post with a quotation from Wiki which disagrees with your opinion. Was there a reason for that?

erm have you read this entire thread? I'm not going to reiterate my points just read please.

LeraiOg
Optimissed wrote:

Bodies like the IOC have vested interests in that there would be financial incentives to have chess recognised as a sport. Therefore their "opinion" isn't an honest opinion because they stand to gain if it's accepted. It being accepted might well lead to things we don't like. It would hardly benefit ordinary chess players and might well make the game more expensive to indulge in, competitively. It would be another gravy train with people trying to make money out of us. We therefore dont wish it to be recognised as a sport. That's disregarding the ridiculousness.

I'm not going to say "who is 'we'" again but serious who is 'we'.

How would chess being recognised as a sport make the game more expensive to indulge in? That is completely false, and who is making money off us? Your points are increasinly becoming devoid of facts and logic and you are simply going into a heedless tangent.

Chess being virtually recognized as being a sport will in fact bring in more sponsors to the players who are struggling financially to dedicate their life to chess full-time.

"That's disregarding the ridiculouslness".... what are you talking about in general??

LeraiOg
Optimissed wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
LeraiOg wrote:

After conducting months of research I have irrefutably concluded that Chess, a board game, a strategy game, a competition, an art, along with other names used to describe this beautiful game is also a Sport.

According to the Cambridge English dictionary, one of the most reputable publishers in our time the definition of a sport is: a game, competition, or activity needing physical effort and skill that is played or done according to rules, for enjoyment and/or as a job.

Following this definition it is undisputed that Chess is all of those except the arguably most important definition to what is, and is not a sport; that is an activity needing physical effort.

Quite right, sorry, I didn't read it properly. I'm one of those who rarely answers this kind of topic.

It's quite clear that the dictionary in question defines sport as "a game, competition, or activity needing physical effort and skill that is played or done according to rules" so clearly chess doesn't qualify as a sport according to the Cambridge Dictionary. So was that your reason for thinking it's not a sport?

I do believe that chess is a sport please read it correctly next time.

Yes, I thought you wrote that you believed it's a sport. I can't help being confused, because I can't work out why you introduced your post with a quotation from Wiki which disagrees with your opinion. Was there a reason for that?

erm have you read this entire thread? I'm not going to reiterate my points just read please.

I didn't notice you making a good argument for chess being a sport. Please see my post above, which contains quite a strong argument AGAINST it being "recognised" as a sport.

Your argumemts are not strong and are not elaborated at all which makes it sound like banter sorry if I sound disrespectful

LeraiOg

What is this esteemed gentleman prattling on about?

LeraiOg
LeraiOg wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Bodies like the IOC have vested interests in that there would be financial incentives to have chess recognised as a sport. Therefore their "opinion" isn't an honest opinion because they stand to gain if it's accepted. It being accepted might well lead to things we don't like. It would hardly benefit ordinary chess players and might well make the game more expensive to indulge in, competitively. It would be another gravy train with people trying to make money out of us. We therefore dont wish it to be recognised as a sport. That's disregarding the ridiculousness.

I'm not going to say "who is 'we'" again but serious who is 'we'.

How would chess being recognised as a sport make the game more expensive to indulge in? That is completely false, and who is making money off us? Your points are increasinly becoming devoid of facts and logic and you are simply going into a heedless tangent.

Chess being virtually recognized as being a sport will in fact bring in more sponsors to the players who are struggling financially to dedicate their life to chess full-time.

"That's disregarding the ridiculouslness".... what are you talking about in general??

LeraiOg
Optimissed wrote:

I can see you feel quite strongly about it so I won't argue with you further. It's pretty near my bedtime anyway so I'll wish you a good night and wish you all the best. If it isn't raining here, it will be soon.

Do you not want to defend your own weak points?

Ziryab

When your premises are faulty, nothing reliable or true will follow.

The assumption that sport requires physical exertion stems from a truncated lexicon.

What makes chess a sport has nothing whatsoever to do with burning calories, heart rate, nor and other measure of physical activity. What makes chess a sport is competition, organization of said events, training, …

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Footnote: … means there is more, but there is also Matthew 7:6.

Ziryab
long_quach wrote:

Even back in the days, back in history time, back in mythology time.

Achilles, badest dude on the planet, killed Hector in personal combat. Man to man, face to face, hand to hand.

Paris killed Achilles with arrow fire, from a distance, where Achilles could not even reach him.

Even back in the day, you can talk about "man-ly-ness" and stuff. Killing from a safe distance is the best to kill.

Crank that up.

Sling shot.

Bullet. Now we're talking.

Colt 45, the gun, not Billy Dee Williams' favorite drink.

What's the saying? "God made men, Samuel Colt made them equal."

"All men are created equal." in our Declaration of Independence.

Equal in their ability to kill each other that is, regardless of size or strength.

Seems to be so.