Chess is NOT a sport!!!
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Chess is a spice. Chess is a dimension. Chess is flirtation. Chess is intersection. Chess is war. Chess is psychological exploration. Chess is imagination. Chess is conceptual dancing. Chess is transfixing. Chess is mind boxing. Chess is ridiculous. Chess is window dressing. Chess is a circus of wooden acrobats over tight-ropes of turns. Chess is petty daliance transformed into lifetime obsession. Chess is mysterious. Chess is Hegelian dialectic striving for synthesis. Chess is a sport, even, for those who are sporting.
Rael wrote: Chess is a spice.
What does it taste like?
:-)
Sortof oriental, curryish, even.
/from when it was Chaturanga
It's not important.Chess is a game
I mentioned this earlier...maybe you aren't reading posts or maybe you are ignoring me because I have a point that is inconvenient for you. You said tennis is a game and a sport, proving that in your opinion the two terms are not mutually exclusive. Also you watch basketball games, football games, soccer games (have I proved my point yet?)
"Chess is not--even in the LOOSEST sense--a sport" and yet the arguement is based on a line from a dictionary talking about the physical.
What if chess pieces weighed 20kg?
1. exile, using what if's will get you nowhere in arguments because they don't.
2. Cheater_1 is arguing with Chess players, who will argue for the game 90% of the time. fact is, though, that the average person doesn't think of Chess as a sport - for a good reason. If one is to say that Chess is a sport, they must also say that Othello is a sport, as is Checkers, Risk, Go, and all other board games that require you to think. Do you consider Checkers a sport?
3. Gokukid, this is an interesting question, because, although we don't consider scrabble to be a sport and it is a game, what about Nascar? It is a sport, but is it a game? If it is not, then game falls under sport, in which case you're saying all games are sports. I would believe them, though, as two separate categories, intertwined.
If Pool, Poker, fishing, hunting, and golf are sports so is chess.
FredricktheShopan wrote: 1. exile, using what if's will get you nowhere in arguments because they don't.
... but what if they did?
Rael wrote: FredricktheShopan wrote: 1. exile, using what if's will get you nowhere in arguments because they don't.
... but what if they did?
What if chess pieces forced you to run continuously? Would it be a sport then? Yes, but it doesn't matter because they do not. When it happens, then the definition may change.
futuregm23 wrote: If Pool, Poker, fishing, hunting, and golf are sports so is chess.
And hence, so are all board games that make you think...
Fredrick, the what if is to show the silly nature of saying that chess is not a sport simply because it lacks physical exertion. It raises the question IF chess had physical exertion would it be a sport.
Furthermore, there are chess boards with 20kg pieces. I suppose I could have reworded my question to be is that kind of chess a sport? How about if I played a blitz game on one of these over sized boards?
To say that 'what if's' have no place in an arguement is an odd stance to have. 'What if's' make for good logic testers.
What really needs to be done here is define sport. And by that I don't mean read a bunch of dictionaries to figure it out. I mean actually get to the root of what each of us uses to define a sport, it is definitely more complicated than a one line dictionary definition.
What makes sqaush a sport but 4 square a game?
The physical element will make some things sports to some but not others. That doesn't make either side wrong. But argueing our way through a dictionary is silly.
By using this what if, you are but showing that if Chess were physical, it would be a sport, which is true, but you are straying from the point using these silly things. The argument as it has commenced thus far has nothing to do with the physical aspect of the game and, under normal conditions with a standard chess board, the physical constraints are limited, so your example shows nothing. In other words, though you argue that Chess is a sport even without physical movement, you show an example through ,"If chess were physical, would it be a sport?" ridiculous
Words are defined by the way we use them. They are not however always used in the way we define them. With the exception of neologisms, definitions are born from words. Whereas a word will remain the same, its definition evolves and changes as the word is used or misused; or as new developments require that the word be redefined. One could argue that ain't isn't a word but a dictionary may define it as a contraction of am and not.
Whether chess is a sport seems to some to lie entirely on whether a dictionary's definition of sport can include an activity that doesn't require physical exertion. A totally arbitrary argument. Cheerleading requires physical exertion but may not be considered a sport by one who may also argue that chess isn't a sport because it doesn't require physical exertion. By what authority do we require the definition of sport to include "physical exertion"? The dictionary's not the authority, it's the reference. Regardless of how we use the word sport, chess is what it is. It's either a sport or it ain't. And we all know which it is.
Whether chess is a sport seems to some to lie entirely on whether a dictionary's definition of sport can include an activity that doesn't require physical exertion. A totally arbitrary argument. Cheerleading requires physical exertion but may not be considered a sport by one who may also argue that chess isn't a sport because it doesn't require physical exertion. By what authority do we require the definition of sport to include "physical exertion"? The dictionary's not the authority, it's the reference. Regardless of how we use the word sport, chess is what it is. It's either a sport or it ain't. And we all know which it is.
just to keep it strait, I asked if Nascar was a game, to which I answered that I personally thought it to be as two seperate categories intertwined. Translation: I believe that neither is under another. Nascar is a sport and game as well. Sorry if I caused confusion.
cheater_1 wrote:
If I hear one more time that chess is a SPORT, I'm going to go BALLISTIC. Chess is not--even in the LOOSEST sense--a sport. Don't argue with the FACTS. Trust me...
You posted this in the wrong place. You need to take this argument up with the International Olympic Committee.
" Chess is a recognized sport by the International Olympic Committee[3] with FIDE being the recognized International Sports Federation for chess since June 1999.[3][4][5][6] As a member of the International Olympic Committee, FIDE adheres to its rules, including controversially having doping tests.[7][8][9][10] The prospects of chess becoming an Olympic sporting event at some future date remain unclear."
I found this good article about the subject. check it out.
http://chess.about.com/od/news/i/aa07d28.html ">click
here is a piece of it.
"The IOC lists the World Chess Federation (FIDE) as the international sport federation responsible for representing chess. A recent FIDE survey of its 159 member federations asked, 1) whether they were members of their country's National Olympic Committee (NOC); and, 2) whether chess was recognized as a sport in their country. The responses to the first question were: Members 88, Associate/Affiliate 9, Applications Pending 3, Not members 59. To the second question: Recognized as a sport 97, Not recognized 23, No reply 39. From these numbers we can conclude that chess is recognized as a sport by approximately two-thirds of the world's sports federations.
Near the end of 2006, chess was finally recognized as a sport in the U.K.: Chess makes its opening gambit to be Olympic sport• 'It took a few shrewd moves but, at last, it is official: chess is a sport. The change in the UK game's status has delighted chess clubs, which as sporting bodies now qualify for charitable status and state funding for the first time.' [10 December 2006; Independent News and Media]"
so cheater_1, chess is becoming more and more a sport. how you can basically say that chess is 100% not a sport is just absurd. chess is more of a sport today then it has ever been. live your life by a definition if you want, but a definition will simply be changed when times change and you can live with old ideas if you choose. did you know Pluto is no longer a planet? did Pluto change or did the definition of planet change?
Fredrick, I see now the twisted nature my posts have become.
I have from the beginning (in my opinion) simply argued against sports needing to be physical in nature. Well more importantly I don't believe that is the defining characteristic of a sport. The fact that you believe that chess would be a sport if people had to run non stop while playing is quite simply, silly.
I'm sorry if my what ifs were lost on you. I'll explain what they were meant to expose. Please ask yourself how logical a definition you have for sport if chess becomes one as soon as the players have to be running on the spot while playing but is JUST a game if played without this silly constraint.
Does Nascar cease being a sport if cars were controlled by our minds?
I am sorry IF that was lost on you.
I'll have to think about the first half of your argument, as this is a better point to bring up, although my definition of a sport is more physical and less mind. As to your 2nd comment (Nascar), I would not consider it a sport, as the only way to train would be mentally. The argument here is more as to what is the definition of the sport.
As to the evidence that fuze brings up, this is about the same quality evidence that the dictionary has. It is a definition, where as this argument is more on personal beliefs, regardless of what Cheater_1 would say.
The definition of chess was not raised because we all know what chess is. A dictionary definition is only needed when a word that is not in common usage is used and not understood by someone.
Maybe you should take some time off psych to study some linguistics if you are going to insist on this sort of pathetic arguement.
Maybe a critical thinking paper would do you some good to.