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goldendog
theoreticalboy wrote:

I just put jism across the board.


<qoph qoph>

Ben_Dubuque

once found a 15 letter word, and got tripple word score three times.

added 7 to 8 and got the 50 point bonus added to that

Ben_Dubuque

same word to

TheGrobe
Wait -- in chess or scrabble?
1pawndown

+ 1

bomtrown
jetfighter13 wrote:

once found a 15 letter word, and got tripple word score three times.

added 7 to 8 and got the 50 point bonus added to that


 Do you remember the word?

bomtrown
goldendog wrote:
AndyClifton wrote:

And of course one of the greatest similarities between the games (as I was quite amused to find out):

 


Probably more than a decade ago I sent SamTimer an email asking which came first, Chronos or the SamTimer.

Never got an answer. I figured they were crooks, being shady scrabblists.


Are they the same clock? The phone number at http://www.chronosdealer.com/chronos.html is 1-888-SAM-TIME

Cystem_Phailure
jetfighter13 wrote:

once found a 15 letter word, and got tripple word score three times.

added 7 to 8 and got the 50 point bonus added to that


I'd definitely like to know the word, and the two that were already down that you incorporated into the middle of your word.  If you got to triple 3 times, then all 3 triple word squares must have been open for you to play on, which means the 8 letters already down had to have been split into 2 words, with none of their tiles already on any of the triple word squares.

That means you had to add letters before the first existing word (which already lay between the left [or top] and central triple word squares), between the first and second word (which already lay between the central and right [or bottom] triple word squares), and after the second word, resulting in a 15-letter word stretching across the entire side of the board and with new tiles on all 3 triple word squares.

I'd certainly remember the word if I ever even saw that played in a game, let alone played it myself!

bomtrown

I've also seen books with Scrabble problems, similar to books with chess problems. In Scrabble, the player with the highest score wins at the end of the game...when all the tiles run out, so the idea is to get maximum points per turn.  Chess is kind of similar, in that the player who accumulates the most advantages during play wins, but of course the ultimate goal of chess is to checkmate the opponent's king.

There are also draws in Scrabble.

theoreticalboy
akintews wrote:

Here is a link to a very high scoring word.

Looks like theoreticalboy was all over this board too.

http://www.scrabulizer.com/blog/post/3


Laughing

Funnily, I was discussing this very same thing during a game with my friend; we were thinking you could play "quizzical" across two TW and two TL.  This puts us to shame.

(this was on Facebook's Words With Friends app rather than actual scrabble, for the record, so it's all slightly different)

TheGrobe
Cystem_Phailure wrote:
jetfighter13 wrote:

once found a 15 letter word, and got tripple word score three times.

added 7 to 8 and got the 50 point bonus added to that


I'd definitely like to know the word, and the two that were already down that you incorporated into the middle of your word.  If you got to triple 3 times, then all 3 triple word squares must have been open for you to play on, which means the 8 letters already down had to have been split into 2 words, with none of their tiles already on any of the triple word squares.

That means you had to add letters before the first existing word (which already lay between the left [or top] and central triple word squares), between the first and second word (which already lay between the central and right [or bottom] triple word squares), and after the second word, resulting in a 15-letter word stretching across the entire side of the board and with new tiles on all 3 triple word squares.

I'd certainly remember the word if I ever even saw that played in a game, let alone played it myself!


It was probably Exaggeratedness.

HHH_Advisors

Some fellow insisted the 'Q' for quelle, meaning the source, is the most important letter in Scrabble. No letter in Scrabble is any more important than any other.  For example, if you cannot play the 'Q' then it becomes a liability. Such short sightedness is common among the mindset of those who think in terms of biggest, best, most, etc. 

TheGrobe

I suppose it could also have been unverifiability.

bomtrown

The worth of the tiles is relative to the position on the board, similar to a chess. A "Q" in both Scrabble and chess could be worthless or it could be a game winning move.

TheGrobe

But it's much easier to get rid of a Q in chess than in scrabble.

Reepacheep

I never really thought of chess and scrabble as being the same, but maybe a little. In chess you can really practice and sometimes even predict what your opponent will do, but not in Scrabble. To practice scrabble you don't really study the actual thing, you study words and dictionaries. However, they are both very mind-ish games that require a lot of skill.

Ricardo_Morro

Scrabble, like chess, is a game of multitudinous but ultimately finite possibilities. Are we going to have interminable threads about the theoretical "solvability" of Scrabble, the limitations of super-computers notwithstanding?

bomtrown

A Computer Program Wins Its First Scrabble Tournament

January 26, 2007, 3:50 pm

When Deep Blue first defeated chess grandmaster Garry Kasparov, the computer program's victory was hailed as a watershed moment for artificial intelligence, and rightfully so. But in November, another program reached a gaming milestone of its own, and no one seemed to notice. The Wired Campus intends to fix that.

At a Scrabble tournament in Toronto, a piece of software called Quackle triumphed in a best-of-five series over David Boys, a computer programmer who won the world Scrabble championship in 1995. The open-source program's chief designers include Jason Katz-Brown, a student at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who also happens to be one of the top-ranked Scrabble players in the world.

Quackle's win did not come easily. Mr. Boys leapt out to a quick lead against the software, winning the first two games thanks to words like "pithead" and "redyeing." But the computer program roared back and took the final three tilts, making a couple of outstanding plays — like "deviating," placed through two disconnected I's that were already on the board — that even top-level human players would be hard-pressed to spot.

Quackle earned the right to play Mr. Boys by edging out another Scrabble-playing program, Maven, in a series of games against expert human players. (Quackle finished the Toronto Computer vs. Human Showdown, as the event was called, with a gaudy 32-4 record, while Maven could only muster a 30-6 showing.)

Mr. Boys seemed to have no trouble keeping a sense of perspective after the loss: "It's still better to be a human than to be a computer," he said. And as the former world champion undoubtedly realizes, luck plays a much greater role in a Scrabble duel than in a chess match. About a decade ago, Mr. Boys played a perfect game against a more primitive computer program — and he still lost. –Brock Read

LINK: http://chronicle.com/blogs/wiredcampus/a-computer-program-wins-its-first-scrabble-tournament/2800

eddiewsox
IMDeviate wrote:

Qatar is also a good Q word.


 Qatar is a proper noun. Proper nouns are not allowed in Scrabble.

Ben_Dubuque

like it was important at the time, I decided to discard it, sorry for all those dissapointed, plus I find the words like QI and Qa and Zzz and Za are BS words, and don't allow them when I am playing