Chess Will Never Be Solved. Why?

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like why did i create it anyways

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Ubik42 wrote:
Nimzovitch solved chess in the margins of the manuscript for “My System”, but they removed it before publication for obvious reasons.

True story.

 

This seems legit.

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Chess IS solved. Chess is a finite game, so it is POSSIBLE to solve. Analyzed by humans, no probably not. By computers, it already has been analyzed.  

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wirdo

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ShrekChess69420 wrote:

Chess IS solved. Chess is a finite game, so it is POSSIBLE to solve. Analyzed by humans, no probably not. By computers, it already has been analyzed.  

 

Strange that this analysis is not published any where. Must be a conspiracy of silence by editors of academic journals.

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hi

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I am new person

 

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My age is 7 

 

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Athvika_R wrote:

I am new person

 

You joined the site over a year ago. That's not new.

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You can get  100% Analyzed with all book moves

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ShrekChess69420 wrote:

Chess IS solved. Chess is a finite game, so it is POSSIBLE to solve. 

That part is correct.  Finite - so solvable.
But that doesn't mean it will ever be solved.
We do see a claim repeated over and over -
that its 'solvable' because of a claim within claim as to a time it would be done in of less than five years.
That's analagous to claiming that Mars could be developed because its just a matter of putting the money into it so that spaceships could do it in ten years?
No - its worse than that.  Because spaceships developing the planet Mars looks less 'unrealistic' while still being intensely unrealistic.
Computers just aren't fast enough yet.  To 'solve' chess.
If they're 1000 times faster ten years from now - that doesn't shave enough zeroes off the time needed.  Would still take gazillions of years.
There's all kinds of manoeuvering though.
Like 'taking the square root of the number of possible positions'
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But these conversations survive in the form of 'weakly analyzed' or 'weakly solved'.  Whatever.

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ShrekChess69420 wrote:

Chess IS solved. Chess is a finite game, so it is POSSIBLE to solve. Analyzed by humans, no probably not. By computers, it already has been analyzed.  

I agree that it is possible to solve, but I don't think it has been solved yet.

I hope it never is solved though, it will suck if we reach the point where Stockfish ∞ announces white to mate in 63 moves, before the game has started.

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Maybe quantum computers can solve it ... 

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#102
"it will suck if we reach the point where Stockfish ∞ announces white to mate in 63 moves"
++ Do not worry, it is: white to play, back draws.

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"Maybe quantum computers can solve it"
++ To strongly solve chess needs to evaluate all 10^44 legal positions.
That would require a 146 qubit quantum computer.
There already exist larger quantum computers:
https://www.dwavesys.com/company/newsroom/media-coverage/hpcwire-d-wave-previews-next-gen-platform-debuts-pegasus-topology-targets-5000-qubits/ 

Weakly solving chess is already within reach of conventional computers:
it takes 5 years on 3 cloud engines of 10^9 nodes/s.
The number of legal, sensible, reachable, and relevant positions is only a tiny fraction of the number of legal positions.

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"Weakly solving chess is already within reach of conventional computers:

it takes 5 years on 3 cloud engines of 10^9 nodes/s."
It takes5 seconds - one can simply say 'weakly' that chess games end in a draw unless somebody makes a mistake.
But its 'weakly' because that hasn't been proven.

"The number of legal, sensible, reachable, and relevant positions is only a tiny fraction of the number of legal positions."
But that fraction isn't known.  So 'five years' is invalid.
And 'nodes' in "10^9 nodes" isn't defined as to what that means as far as solving speed is concerned - so that's invalid too. 
And even a 'tiny fraction' like one in ten thousand isn't going to rescue the computers from a number of possible positions that is far too large.

What would take 'five years' is a phony project dressed up to look like its solving something but isn't.
Which is a probable reason why nobody has put up the money for it.
Who would pay for phony 'solving'?
Finally - there's the issue of spreading phony information around on the internet to the effect 'it takes five years'.
Well its a bit like claiming the earth is flat.
Which is harmless because people know its wrong - or can harmlessly be duped into that.  Its like UFO belief.
A trip on a boat or ship along a coast will demonstrate the receding horizon.  But even that kind of proof isn't necessary because people using commonsense know that a round earth couldn't be faked.
None of these look dangerous though - unlike Covid disinformation and misinformation of various kinds.  Those are harmful.

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Chess will never be 100% analysed. Correct.

Because it would take too long. Mankind will be extinct before it could be finished, even on the fastest computers.

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playerafar wrote:



None of these look dangerous though - unlike Covid disinformation and misinformation of various kinds.  Those are harmful.

Yes, telling everyone to wear masks and be vaccinated, I suppose. Now there's a harmful spike in hepatitis in babies and very young children. It's thought to be due to a normally harmless tummy bug virus, which has been made dangerous by our over-reaction to Covid: just the latest of a series of backlashes visited on the snowflake generations.

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BlueHen86 wrote:
ShrekChess69420 wrote:

Chess IS solved. Chess is a finite game, so it is POSSIBLE to solve. Analyzed by humans, no probably not. By computers, it already has been analyzed.  

I agree that it is possible to solve, but I don't think it has been solved yet.

I hope it never is solved though, it will suck if we reach the point where Stockfish ∞ announces white to mate in 63 moves, before the game has started.

Maybe the game doesn't need to have every single possible position analyzed, if a sequence of moves can be found that will force checkmate right from the start, no matter what is played to try and stop it...