Chess will never be solved, here's why

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Cythaera wrote:
don't trust that AI crap.
Relativity and quantum mechanics are used more or less equally, and will be, for at least a hundred years. Relativity on large scales and QM on small scales.
they will eventually merge with unification. most likely with a variant of M-theory or Loop Quantum Gravity. At which time our descendants will be engineering not with atoms but with quarks and superstrings.

Quantum mechanics is apparently used in a long list of practical sciences.
Relativity apparently used in more exotic applications.
Dirac apparently already merged them. In 1928.
And even pioneered the concept of antimatter.
With Anderson apparently confirming that four years later with experimental discovery of positrons.

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Cythaera wrote:
don't trust that AI crap.
Relativity and quantum mechanics are used more or less equally, and will be, for at least a hundred years. Relativity on large scales and QM on small scales.
they will eventually merge with unification. most likely with a variant of M-theory or Loop Quantum Gravity. At which time our descendants will be engineering not with atoms but with quarks and superstrings.

I think it is fair to say that quantum mechanics has way more practical applications. There aren't many practical tasks where relativity is needed. Sure, there are some, but it's a matter of degree.

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please someone help me i am losing to 700s please cry

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You need to play better moves.

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Elroch wrote:

You need to play better moves.

how

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ShiveringSands-U7 wrote:

please someone help me i am losing to 700s please

Try a different approach. Or approaches.
Want some ideas?
1) after your opponent moves ask yourself - 'why did he make that move?'
if you can't answer it for yourself quickly - don't worry.
if you get the reason wrong - don't worry. 
Enjoy playing.
Common mistakes:.
2) If you want to win (remembering its just a game) - then you're opponent's pieces and what they can do - matters just as much or more than what your pieces can do. 
The common mistake is to think that you're only 'responsible' for your own pieces - since you can't move his pieces.
But you can. You can move his pieces - right off the board! Among other things.
3) Always assume there are tactics in the position that you haven't seen yet.
Your tactics and his tactics. Try to find them. Before you move or before he moves.
If you can't find them - or you think you've looked enough - don't worry.
4) Learn how to use his clock time. See number 3. Also think - 'what are his most likely moves for his next move? Why? Try to be ready instead of surprised.
If you've done it well - you might be surprised by his Bad moves.
And if he's rated 700 - then Trust - he's going to make a lof of those.
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there's that short list of four. Try it out. Just an idea. Not 'instructions'.
There's also 'donts'.
Don't worry about openings. That's the biggest pitfall probably.
Set your filters to play people that are 100 points lower or higher than you or in between -
but don't worry about your rating though.
Good luck and enjoy your Voyage through the wonderful game of chess - probably the most popular indoor game of the last 150 years.

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Relativity and quantum mechanics are not unified. They convert to each other in limited sense (special situations on their respective extremes), but that requires magic coefficients to reconcile them.

General relativity is used throughout everyday life. we guide satellites snd spacecraft with it, synch our clocks with it, play chess on this website with it, navigate by gps with it. we'd use it much more if our space exploration programs were not so lame.

quantum mechanics is used just as much, but probably not more.

quantum mechanics used to be used more commonly than it is now. it was once in every living room, because cathode ray televisions operated on QM principles. Now we've gone to LCD flat panels, and QM based TVs clog landfills.

anyway, unification would require one system with no magic coefficients. m-theory is the closest to a leading contender at this point, but no one knows if branes/strings are fundamental. the true elements could be even smaller.
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Cythaera wrote:
Relativity and quantum mechanics are not unified. They convert to each other in limited sense (special situations on their respective extremes), but that requires magic coefficients to reconcile them.
General relativity is used throughout everyday life. we guide satellites snd spacecraft with it, synch our clocks with it, play chess on this website with it, navigate by gps with it. we'd use it much more if our space exploration programs were not so lame.
quantum mechanics is used just as much, but probably not more.
quantum mechanics used to be used more commonly than it is now. it was once in every living room, because cathode ray televisions operated on QM principles. Now we've gone to LCD flat panels, and QM based TVs clog landfills.
anyway, unification would require one system with no magic coefficients. m-theory is the closest to a leading contender at this point, but no one knows if branes/strings are fundamental. the true elements could be even smaller.

You're right in the sense that they seem to move along in separate paths and do not usually combine in their applications.
But there are some exceptions. It seems.
Including GPS - atomic clocks - particle accelerator science - and in at least one medical application. And others. 
Including in research as opposed to in ongoing practical applications.
And you're right to not place blind trust in AI.

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Cythaera wrote:
Relativity and quantum mechanics are not unified. They convert to each other in limited sense (special situations on their respective extremes), but that requires magic coefficients to reconcile them.
General relativity is used throughout everyday life. we guide satellites snd spacecraft with it, synch our clocks with it, play chess on this website with it, navigate by gps with it. we'd use it much more if our space exploration programs were not so lame.
quantum mechanics is used just as much, but probably not more.
quantum mechanics used to be used more commonly than it is now. it was once in every living room, because cathode ray televisions operated on QM principles. Now we've gone to LCD flat panels, and QM based TVs clog landfills.
 
Funny! As if we have now moved to technologies where QM does not matter. As well as all semiconductor behaviour being quantum mechanical, there is also the state of the art quantum dot display technology, which seems to be the state of the art for TVs.anyway, unification would require one system with no magic coefficients. m-theory is the closest to a leading contender at this point, but no one knows if branes/strings are fundamental. the true elements could be even smaller.
Quanttum field theory combines QM and special relativity in an essential way, The unification that is only a dream is that of QM and general relativity, This is only necessary in a range of energies way beyond that of all present knowledge. While both general relativity and general relativity are needed to explain our world as we see it, they can be combined in a way that keeps them almost separate because quantum mechanucs typically takes place in small regions of space time which can be modeled with a single Lorentz frfame without significant error.
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i got on this weird non-chess tangent with the wild claim that interstellar species (as we will eventually be) are most likely immortal and vanishingly small. I used the image, populations within an atom.

that isn't just poetic conceit. it's necessary, for an essentially immortal and omnipotent interstellar species.

to achieve this requires femtoengineering-- ., manipulating reality at Planck Length scales. building with strings, or whatever strings are composed of.

unification is a necessary stepping stone.

it sounds wild and crazy, but nanoengineering was considered crazy about a century ago. In a universe this big and old, we can be certain it's already been done.
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crazedrat1000 wrote:

It's often cynical, materialistic, self interested people who haven't encountered much adversity that are inclined to believe success is the hallmark of virtue... and if you suffer persecution it's proof you did something wrong. Often the opposite is true - if you aren't persecuted in this world it's because you aren't speaking truthfully, and you lack the courage or conviction to do so. When a society goes off the rails the social climbers will be the first to guide others into the Gulags. Or refer them to HR on account of company policy, as the case may be... Dio is an excellent example of such a climber, or manager type as I call them. When self-interested climbing is the primary objective empathy has taken a backseat. It becomes easy to trample over others. It's not surprising that Dio winds up trolling practically everyone he encounters on this site at some point or another. This is the one place where he can be his cynical self without consequences.

The first few sentences in your post talked about the just-world hypothesis. Considering it’s a literal cognitive bias, I can’t really disagree with you.

But is self-interested climbing really that bad? Today, everywhere you look, there are people condemning others for their selfishness. But what’s the difference between ambition and selfishness? Where is that line? Why would placing yourself over others be bad? After all, no matter how much you care about another person, you’ll never be them, and they’ll never be you. A certain amount of willingness to do that is needed to advance, arguably. Certainly, being mindlessly selfish isn’t commendable. But if you’re too empathetic, you’ll end so lost in their lives that you’ll stop living your own.

And I doubt DD’s alleged machiavellianism. He doesn’t make as many inflammatory remarks as alleged. Plus, he doesn’t have a high opinion of billionaires, generally, and aren’t billionaires usually more self-interested than the average person by a significant margin?

And yes, this is a closer to an unorganised ramble than an actual post, but I think sharing my opinion is a good idea this time.

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DiogenesDue wrote:

Lol, I am out of town for the weekend, but do continue with making fools of yourselves implying that Fester, Basix, and AG are all sockpuppets created by me...

When did that happen? Did I miss something?

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AG120502 wrote:
crazedrat1000 wrote:

It's often cynical, materialistic, self interested people who haven't encountered much adversity that are inclined to believe success is the hallmark of virtue... and if you suffer persecution it's proof you did something wrong. Often the opposite is true - if you aren't persecuted in this world it's because you aren't speaking truthfully, and you lack the courage or conviction to do so. When a society goes off the rails the social climbers will be the first to guide others into the Gulags. Or refer them to HR on account of company policy, as the case may be... Dio is an excellent example of such a climber, or manager type as I call them. When self-interested climbing is the primary objective empathy has taken a backseat. It becomes easy to trample over others. It's not surprising that Dio winds up trolling practically everyone he encounters on this site at some point or another. This is the one place where he can be his cynical self without consequences.

The first few sentences in your post talked about the just-world hypothesis. Considering it’s a literal cognitive bias, I can’t really disagree with you.

But is self-interested climbing really that bad? Today, everywhere you look, there are people condemning others for their selfishness. But what’s the difference between ambition and selfishness? Where is that line? Why would placing yourself over others be bad? After all, no matter how much you care about another person, you’ll never be them, and they’ll never be you. A certain amount of willingness to do that is needed to advance, arguably. Certainly, being mindlessly selfish isn’t commendable. But if you’re too empathetic, you’ll end so lost in their lives that you’ll stop living your own.

And I doubt DD’s alleged machiavellianism. He doesn’t make as many inflammatory remarks as alleged. Plus, he doesn’t have a high opinion of billionaires, generally, and aren’t billionaires usually more self-interested than the average person by a significant margin?

And yes, this is a closer to an unorganised ramble than an actual post, but I think sharing my opinion is a good idea this time.

'machiavellian' is a strawman. D's idea.
You're attacking his phony idea he wants to lionize himself with.
Maybe next you'll want to 'debate' that while claiming 'neutrality'.

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Cythaera wrote:
i got on this weird non-chess tangent with the wild claim that interstellar species (as we will eventually be) are most likely immortal and vanishingly small. I used the image, populations within an atom.
that isn't just poetic conceit. it's necessary, for an essentially immortal and omnipotent interstellar species.
to achieve this requires femtoengineering-- ., manipulating reality at Planck Length scales. building with strings, or whatever strings are composed of.
unification is a necessary stepping stone.
it sounds wild and crazy, but nanoengineering was considered crazy about a century ago. In a universe this big and old, we can be certain it's already been done.

The idea of a species within an atom isn't completely without merit.
If this galaxy is considered to be a kind of atom - then humanity is an almost infinitesmal speck inside it.
Would quantum theory allow for a 'species inside an atom'?
Earlier I mentioned the four men of QM in the 1920s.
Heisenberg Schrodinger Dirac Bohr.
But there was also Planck before them. 1900.
WIth 10 ^ (-35) meters being the smallest meaningful distance in physics?
That's quite a bit smaller than the supposed size of a proton.
Say 10 ^(-15) meter? Then there's all that space between particles. 
So there's room apparently.
happy

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playerafar wrote:
Cythaera wrote:
i got on this weird non-chess tangent with the wild claim that interstellar species (as we will eventually be) are most likely immortal and vanishingly small. I used the image, populations within an atom.
that isn't just poetic conceit. it's necessary, for an essentially immortal and omnipotent interstellar species.
to achieve this requires femtoengineering-- ., manipulating reality at Planck Length scales. building with strings, or whatever strings are composed of.
unification is a necessary stepping stone.
it sounds wild and crazy, but nanoengineering was considered crazy about a century ago. In a universe this big and old, we can be certain it's already been done.

The idea of a species within an atom isn't completely without merit.

Probably is, to be frank.

If this galaxy is considered to be a kind of atom

It isn't. An atom is a quantum system described by a high dimensional wave function (multiple components for each particle), each particle having uncertain location. A galaxy is a deterministic distribution of macroscopic objects.

[Note - studying atoms, you normally work with centre of mass co-ordinates and ignore the nucleus as a (composite) particle. But, in full detail, the nucleus has a projected wave function with a much smaller size than that of the electrons, but similar character]

- then humanity is an almost infinitesmal speck inside it.
Would quantum theory allow for a 'species inside an atom'?

There is no reason I can think of for there to be. It seems to be excluded because you would need much more energy than there is in order to have spatial structures. But of course, it is not entirely impossible for there to be an infinite amount of which we have no knowledge.

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@Elroch
Hi. I had edited my post just now. Adding some info.
And then saw your post.
My point is that considering Planck's 10^(-35) meter distance and comparing with the size of a proton and also the space between particles - then could a species (not DNA based) in theory - evolve inside an atom? How do we rule it out?
There might be 'room'.
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just some side notes about c (the speed of light) in famous equations.
Maxwell's 1865 equation - shockingly turned out to match 'measured c'.
Planck's 1900 equation has c^(3). 
Lorentz 1904 equation has c^2.
Einstein's 1905 equation has c^2. 
Einstein has c^4 in his 1915 equation.
Dirac has c 'straight up' in his 1928 equation. No exponent!
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pi gets powered sometimes. And i (square root of minus one).
But e gets powered the most.

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If you take the example of a photon, to have low uncertainty in position, you need to have high energy. If something is confined and has high energy it has high mass. There is a known amount of mass in an atom (and it is all accounted for by the electrons and the nucleus).

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