Chess will never be solved, here's why

     How many posts lambasting others for superior attitudes and boasting of intellectual prowess do you suppose it will take to eliminate such behavior here? Endless recriminations and responses to slights, real or imagined, don't seem to have had much effect so far. The "he started it" mentality of children's squabbles is particularly inelegant.

Got to say @wyatteldred's post was an improvement on some recently.

I don't know. You could try reporting Elroch for making personal attacks, I suppose. Not that it would do much good. He's protected.

So in your world, making an aspersion about Wigan is somehow dire and much worse than just calling people idiots outright as you do on a regular basis?

Elroch is protected by secret forces.  I am protected by those same forces according to your previous diatribes.  You, meanwhile, are a crusader for justice, and never attack anyone, being in fact a paragon of virtue and enlightenment for everyone around you to admire.  It's all very complicated and dramatic, but Occam's Razor makes short work of the whole narrative.

Since everything you say is a delusion, all I can do is report you for trolling. This is YOUR feud, not mine. The sooner you are thrown off this site for trolling, the better for all of us.

So in your world, making an aspersion about Wigan is somehow dire and much worse than just calling people idiots outright as you do on a regular basis?>>

Ther point is that Elroch made a snidey but harmless comment about the town I live in, and I pointed out that he had made a mistake in his word useage. He then tried to make out, by means of some sort of vitriolic argument, that my remark was a personal attack whereas his was harmless. That type of dishonesty is the behaviour of trolls, just as yours and mpaetz's is. Three trolls on this thread together and you always protect your own. Make no mistake. You're trolls and you're protecting your own.

I'm going to report you for absolutely every unpleasant thing you say to others and I hope that others will report you too. It's time to get rid of the trolls here and you're the worst one of all.

Ahhh, so then by extension Mpaetz is also protected by the powers that be?

In the last 8 posts....not a word about chess.  This makes 9, I guess. 

11......and counting.

But let's get back to chess......I'm just wondering if it's a sport.....and if there's luck involved. 

The mods have concentrated on the repeat accounts and the ones who are just playing but they leave the nasty types alone. I'm not saying that mpaetz is deliberately nasty, like two I could mention. He just doesn't know any better and isn't capable of seeing what is happening here.

You should be particularly happy about this...it's the only reason you are still around.

@5041
"I find those quite easy too."
++ Very cunning.
However, for every such position with left / right symmetry, where the Tromp count is only a factor 2 off and the Gourion count is spot on,
there is a pawnless position with 8-fold symmetry, where the Tromp count is a factor 8 off and the Gourion count is a factor 4 off.
So generally the Tromp count is a factor 4 too high and the Gourion count is a factor 2 too high for the purpose as a starting point for estimating the number of positions involved in weakly solving chess.

The mantisse does not really matter, try to get the exponent right first.
None of the 56011 sampled positions Tromp found legal can result from optimal play.
Look at the 3 random samples https://github.com/tromp/ChessPositionRanking

In all 3 there are underpromotions to rook or bishop from both sides. Underpromotion to rook or bishop only make sense to avoid stalemate, i.e. to avoid a draw. It makes no sense for both sides to avoid a draw. So at least one side must have erred by underpromoting instead of queening.

Even none of a sample of 1000 positions in the Gourion count 10^37 can result from optimal play.

Factors of 8 are petty in any case. @tygxc is wedded to a massive error in the exponent.

@5059
"Factors of 8 are petty in any case." ++ Yes.

"@tygxc is wedded to a massive error in the exponent."
++ No, there is no error in the exponent 10^44 or 10^37.
Weakly solving calls for all participants to play optimally.
Of 56011 Tromp positions or 1000 Gourion positions none can result from optimal play.

During the solution each capture or pawn move makes many positions unreachable.

Weakly solving calls for a strategy, i.e. one strategy, not all strategies.
If 1 e4 e5 draws, then it is not necessary to investigate 1 e4 c5 and vice versa.

44 is fine. 37 is not. Nor is 17, which is based on totally misunderstanding what solving is.

But at least it got butter