Chess will never be solved, here's why

The bolded section could be any number of posters talking about you.  You seem to know deep down what you are, but then choose to pretend you are not and project your traits onto others.

In this case, since I was clearly making a fanciful scenario, your point doesn't even make sense.  Unless you actually see yourself as a demi-god striding the hills of middle England...there is that possibility, and in your case I can't completely dismiss it.

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See?  Case in point.  Projection. 

Produce some of these mythical people and posts.  Then produce some of this mythical anger and lack of calm.

As always, you will produce nothing when called out on your "lots of people think this" appeal to false majorities.

I did have one pointless exchange recently, but I actually was the one who pointed out that it was pointless.  This is where your fuzzy memory took over and filled in some blanks, I suspect.  I doubt you can even find and link that, though...

here you two go mounting again : j 

btw, projections are usually subconscious. not to say one can’t be self aware, but, yea, take that in mind blue..

Keep your personal fantasies private.  Thanks.

lol. 

Statistically, this is going to happen.  I can't control when people choose to make ridiculous posts.  Luckily, I have no problem holding a dozen posters at bay with one arm behind my back while yawning...

Note how I am actually kidding about being superior to other posters just there.  A difference in perspective and expression you should emulate.

     Yes, many Americans, and Russians, and Englishmen, and people in every other nation on Earth are willfully ignorant and believe in "my country, right or wrong". This condition has existed everywhere through human history. 

     Thanks for your amusing comment reinforcing my point.

     The "people who went to America on the Mayflower" constituted a very small % of the people who came to what is presently the United States during the colonial era. Many debtors and criminals were transported, and Dutch, Spanish and French colonies were incorporated into pre-revolutionary "America". The freedom-seeking Puritans are part of American legend, but most of the colonies were settled by well-to-do entrepreneurs looking for a chance to make a fortune. Immigrants from all nations, indentured servants, and slaves were recruited as a workforce.

     As far as "tolerance" goes, I doubt if the transported criminals and debtors found much, and indentured servants, not to mention slaves, were essential chattel. And the indigenous people were simply eliminated in great numbers.

     I find it interesting that you say that Britons that went abroad to every other part of the world they took over by force of arms turned out to be bigoted despots.

Lol.  It's a prodigious leap from having hypocrisy pointed out to you to trying to claim anybody has said America is perfect in this discussion.  My track record on the subject of a perfect America says quite the opposite.  Any contortion in a storm, I guess.

Actually it's a dead on description for you.  But here's a better definition:

Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. In moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one's own expressed moral rules and principles.  According to British political philosopher David Runciman, "Other kinds of hypocritical deception include claims to knowledge that one lacks, claims to a consistency that one cannot sustain, claims to a loyalty that one does not possess, claims to an identity that one does not hold".

Even more on the nose, I would say.

As for patriots, you already know how much I eschew patriot-driven rhetoric...of all kinds.  I'm sorry for your loss.

Misogyny is just another of your failings...

You claim to be educated, but this can hardly be the case when you have expressed disdain for and derision of every subject you have claimed to be educated on or read about for years .  Physics?  Twaddle.  Thermodynamics?  Invalid.  Microbiology?  Ineffectual.  Games theory?  Completely wrong.  Philosophy is given somewhat of a pass, but philosophers themselves are another story, since you find fault with them all thus far.  Psychology you seem okay with...but have no expertise in other than via osmosis from familial proximity.

So, telling others to educate themselves is just another manifestation of your hypocrisy.  You may have attended school, but you seemingly didn't absorb much.  Much like your IQ diatribes, your education is something you talk about, but never display any useful outcomes for.

I am sometimes hated...by those who can never seem to stand up to my arguments, yourself chief among them.  For others, not so much.

Yes, unfortunately there's a lot of nationalism in America posing as patriotism.

I come back to this thread 995 new posts later and suddenly it's about the early settlers in America, the British empire, and the difference between nationalism, patriotism, and national or ethnic chauvinism? How did this happen?

Isn't this about whether chess will be solved and debating whether won, drawn, or lost in chess means in a mathematically absolute sense or in an "overwhelming majority of conventionally good lines lead that way" sense?

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"Isn't this about whether chess will be solved and debating whether won, drawn, or lost in chess means in a mathematically absolute sense or in an "overwhelming majority of conventionally good lines lead that way" sense?"
++ Trolls sabotage the thread by spamming off topic.

Of course drawn, won, or lost in the context of game solving means the outcome if both opponents play optimally i.e. without errors that change the game state draw / win / loss.

Solved can have 3 meanings: ultra-weakly solved, weakly solved, or strongly solved.

Strongly solved means a 32-men table base, needs all 10^44 legal positions and that would take a prohibitive time and storage and thus is beyond current technology.

For all practical purpose Chess is already ultra-weakly solved and the game-theoretical value is a draw.

That leaves weakly solved like Checkers, and requires 10^17 relevant positions.
3 cloud engines of a billion nodes/s (or 3000 desktops of a million nodes/s) can do that in 5 years under human guidance by 3 grandmasters. That is also what GM Sveshnikov said.
That would cost 3 million $ to hire the grandmasters and rent the engines.
Whether Chess will be weakly solved or not depends on when somebody pays that cost.

Suppose there are 10^20 good-looking lines from some hypothetical position until you reach known tablebases. Maybe material is equal. Maybe it isn't But one side has an advantage. 99.9999999999% are wins for the player with a conventional advantage. 10^8 are draws. Any GM is going to see this as a completely winning position.

And of course we haven't factored the 10^50 or whatever lines that have nonsense-looking computer moves in them that only a tablebase would even think about but turn out to be important.