Chess will never be solved, here's why

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BigChessplayer665
tygxc wrote:

@10356

"tygxc's main fault is to engage trolls"
++ Probably. Most are either too lazy to read, or too stupid to understand
Games solved: Now and in the future

and
Checkers Is Solved

Yup but it's more that they read then twist things to their hearts content to "win " an argument that really eeks me lol

MARattigan
tygxc wrote:

@10328

"It's too bad there isn't a fifty-move rule for Internet arguments."
Repetitio mater studiorum.
Repetition is the mother of study.
Many here still do not understand that it is not necessary to strongly solve a game to weakly solve it and that it is not necessary to weakly solve a game to ultra-weakly solve it.

Perfectly true, but for the last, some people don't understand that a big red telephone doesn't count. (And some people also just don't understand what the first means.)

Then, of course, there's @Optimissed, who doesn't understand what any of it means.

Elroch
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
tygxc wrote:

@10356

"tygxc's main fault is to engage trolls"
++ Probably. Most are either too lazy to read, or too stupid to understand
Games solved: Now and in the future

and
Checkers Is Solved

Yup but it's more that they read then twist things to their hearts content to "win " an argument that really eeks me lol

Let's be frank, there is one repetitive blunderer who doesn't even understand the last sentence of the abstract of the second link:

"Solving a game takes this to the next level by replacing the heuristics with perfection."

stancco
DiogenesDue wrote:
stancco wrote:

But you are just arguing

And you're just tired, if your username is to be believed.

I'm aware of its Italian meaning, but to your misfortune it has nothing to do to what is to be believed. However, I will not mind you to have it your way if you feel like so.

MARattigan
Elroch wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
tygxc wrote:

@10356

"tygxc's main fault is to engage trolls"
++ Probably. Most are either too lazy to read, or too stupid to understand
Games solved: Now and in the future

and
Checkers Is Solved

Yup but it's more that they read then twist things to their hearts content to "win " an argument that really eeks me lol

Let's be frank, there is one repetitive blunderer who doesn't even understand the last sentence of the abstract of the second link:

"Solving a game takes this to the next level by replacing the heuristics with perfection."

Well, there are three kinds of mathematician; those that can count and those that can't.

(See above post.)

Anna_chess11

In my opinion, what is important in chess is not victory, but participation!!! When we are considered, this does not lead to the best. Man LEARN from his mistakes!!!!

AuroraVelvet

Hey! Im so bad at this game sad.png need someone to teach me, follow my Instagram: Auroravelvetx

Anna_chess11

I've been playing chess for 10 years now! I have 1 in a row. I don't get upset when I lose! This is just a game!

stancco
AuroraVelvet wrote:

Hey! Im so bad at this game need someone to teach me, follow my Instagram: Auroravelvetx

Wrong thread drling

MARattigan

#10375

You can never be sure whether @Optimissed is joking.

MARattigan
Optimissed wrote:

^^Wow, a minus one in about one minute. That means that my comment is a very good one.

That'll be @tygxc. It's a hobby of his.

stancco

But it bothers you, is not it?

stancco
Optimissed wrote:
stancco wrote:

But it bothers you, is not it?

It worries me because it makes me realise that the motives of many people may not include prioritising reaching a truthful understanding but, more to the point, they are not trying so much to defend their ideas, beliefs and arguments so much as to defend themselves against what they perceive as an attack. That realisation did bother me at one time, yes. I think now I accept it more but it does mean I tend to write people off rather than to try to give them the benefit of any doubt. In some ways, that's a negative reaction of mine. However, it saves time or effort. This is a strange environment.

Exactly.

My comment was addressed to Marattigan's post but I forgot to quote it.

MARattigan

@stancco

As for me, since you ask; I couldn't care less. I just take it as an illustration of "small things amuse small minds".

stancco
MARattigan wrote:

@stancco

As for me, since you ask; I couldn't care less. I just take it as an illustration of "small things amuse small minds".

Small potatoes say so

MARattigan

Do they? How interesting.

DiogenesDue
tygxc wrote:

"It's too bad there isn't a fifty-move rule for Internet arguments."
Repetitio mater studiorum.
Repetition is the mother of study.
Many here still do not understand that it is not necessary to strongly solve a game to weakly solve it and that it is not necessary to weakly solve a game to ultra-weakly solve it.

I think it is you that doesn't understand. Strongly solving a game means being able to show perfect play from any possible configuration of pieces, not just from the starting position.

Weakly solved means showing perfect play from the starting position all the way to the end. Not "probably really close to perfect play but not quite"...perfect play.

Ultra-weakly solved is reserved for those games where a mirror strategy or some simplified logic can prove a forced win or draw without calculating out the move tree, ala Tic Tac Toe.

You just fail to realize that these 3 definitions implement very differently for different games, and that for chess, weakly solved and strongly solved are both >10^40 endeavors and effectively out of reach. For some games, ultra weakly solved would be impossible and/or strong and weakly solved could be the same solution.

stancco
MARattigan wrote:

Do they? How interesting.

I'm so amused knowing you're interested

MARattigan

Your slip's showing.

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

This sentence is or may be to the effect that next to be solved in order of difficulty will probably be Othello, which will require considerably more resources than draughts (checkers): the implication being that solving chess isn't on the horizon.

I noticed RATMAR making his usual commentary. He's fast becoming a member of the cabal, known to many as the "League of Losers". There are one or two semi-competent members so other members who are teetering on or over the edge of senile dementia are clearly required, to keep standards down or up, depending on whether you're standing on your head, which would be quite a mean feet, could it be acheived.

Lol. "Known to many" meaning, of course, that you made it up and sent it in PMs to other crackpots in some obsequious fashion...