Chess will never be solved, here's why

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DiogenesDue
MEGACHE3SE wrote:

why tf are u using chat gpt, its literally got a couple things wrong.

Still better than some answers here...

Using ChatGPT is like using "poll the audience" on Who Wants to be a Millionaire...it's quite a bit preferable as a lifeline option to "phone a friend", unless your friend happens to have credentials in the subject matter. LLMs are decent at consensus answers that are not too specific on technical details and definitely don't require calculations. Math by public consensus gathering is just a horrible idea .

MEGACHE3SE
DiogenesDue wrote:
MEGACHE3SE wrote:

why tf are u using chat gpt, its literally got a couple things wrong.

Still better than some answers here...

FR.

playerafar

Will tygxc start using ChatGPT to push his points here?
I'm guessing no. Not quite his style.

MEGACHE3SE
playerafar wrote:

Will tygxc start using ChatGPT to push his points here?
I'm guessing no. Not quite his style.

i doubt it, chatgpt uses a lot of readily available info, and a lot of that info contradicts his claims.

playerafar

tygxc can be exasperating - but only if one allows him to be.
Particularily irksome were his assertions like 'We don't care about the limits on the number of operations per second a computer can do! Its Nodes per second that matters!'
Reveals ----

playerafar
DiogenesDue wrote:
MEGACHE3SE wrote:

why tf are u using chat gpt, its literally got a couple things wrong.

Still better than some answers here...

Using ChatGPT is like using "poll the audience" on Who Wants to be a Millionaire...it's quite a bit preferable as a lifeline option to "phone a friend", unless your friend happens to have credentials in the subject matter. LLMs are decent at consensus answers that are not too specific on technical details and definitely don't require calculations. Math by public consensus gathering is just a horrible idea .

LLMs
Large Language Models.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

member when ju played all a china. she took the most common chosen move from alla the black entries. millions. each move. she wiped em out. a miniature. it was dum.

and a/o who feels AI is near the end of its parabolic uppy ?...is dum too. watch what happens in the next 10 years. its gonna scare u like chucky. wait...they killed him right ?...nvm. nite e/o L♥

tygxc

Back on topic.

The ICCF World Championship Finals now are at 108 draws out of 108 games.

So we have 108 chains of moves that link the initial position to known drawn positions.
The linking is redundant: even if a few links were broken, there are backup lines.

So the 17 ICCF World Championship finalists and their computers are doing what GM Sveshnikov predicted: trace all openings to technical endgames and weakly solve Chess.

playerafar
Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

member when ju played all a china. she took the most common chosen move from alla the black entries. millions. each move. she wiped em out. a miniature. it was dum.

and a/o who feels AI is near the end of its parabolic uppy ?...is dum too. watch what happens in the next 10 years. its gonna scare u like chucky. wait...they killed him right ?...nvm. nite e/o L♥

AI's upward parabolic trajectory?
I don't think it will stop.
Whether its chatgpt or whatever.

MEGACHE3SE
tygxc wrote:

Back on topic.

The ICCF World Championship Finals now are at 108 draws out of 108 games.

So we have 108 chains of moves that link the initial position to known drawn positions.
The linking is redundant: even if a few links were broken, there are backup lines.

So the 17 ICCF World Championship finalists and their computers are doing what GM Sveshnikov predicted: trace all openings to technical endgames and weakly solve Chess.

tygxc they are more on topic than you are.

On topic is when you address the fact that every person ive talked to with a math education at a college level or above can find the same fallacies in your arguments that ive pointed out to you.

MEGACHE3SE

its been months tygxc why arent you responding to that fact?

When are you addressing the fact that every person ive talked to with a math education at a college level or above can find the same fallacies in your arguments that ive pointed out to you. I gave them PLENTY of context to your posts, you cant claim I took them out of context.

Heck, when I come back with My PHD in a few years, I wouldnt be surprised if you STILL claimed to know math logic better than I, and everyone else.

playerafar
MEGACHE3SE wrote:

its been months tygxc why arent you responding to that fact?

When are you addressing the fact that every person ive talked to with a math education at a college level or above can find the same fallacies in your arguments that ive pointed out to you. I gave them PLENTY of context to your posts, you cant claim I took them out of context.

Heck, when I come back with My PHD in a few years, I wouldnt be surprised if you STILL claimed to know math logic better than I, and everyone else.

I wouldn't be surprised either by that.
In fact I'd be mildly surprised if he didn't.
But an issue here is math 'illogic' ...
Illogic often dominates human activity.
And the psychological - not the logical.
And illogic in a situation often prevails.
Or survives when it shouldn't.

MEGACHE3SE

optimissed: makes a faulty argument and makes false claims about mathematics due to his lack of mathematical understanding (ex: he doesnt know what a mathematical object is)

me: points out his fallacies and how he's wrong

optimissed: you just dont understand what im talking about.

any substance you had is gone. im back to ignoring you until you have an actual argument

tygxc

@12098

"when I come back with My PHD in a few years"
++ Yes, please come back in a few years.

playerafar
Optimissed wrote:
MEGACHE3SE wrote:

its been months tygxc why arent you responding to that fact?

When are you addressing the fact that every person ive talked to with a math education at a college level or above can find the same fallacies in your arguments that ive pointed out to you. I gave them PLENTY of context to your posts, you cant claim I took them out of context.

Heck, when I come back with My PHD in a few years, I wouldnt be surprised if you STILL claimed to know math logic better than I, and everyone else.

Honestly, I don't think you can get one of those if you can't understand what I'm talking about. I didn't know how similar to each other Elroch and tygxc are and obviously you don't see it either since you're similar.

Yet another falsehood by O.
Elroch and tygxc are not similiar and even O would know its obvious they're not.

playerafar
MEGACHE3SE wrote:

optimissed: makes a faulty argument and makes false claims about mathematics due to his lack of mathematical understanding (ex: he doesnt know what a mathematical object is)

me: points out his fallacies and how he's wrong

optimissed: you just dont understand what im talking about.

any substance you had is gone. im back to ignoring you until you have an actual argument

Don't hold your breath.

DiogenesDue

Wow, 130+ pages of muted posts...surely that can't only be Optimissed yet again? Are we missing anyone else?

Elroch
playerafar wrote:

There's a lot of talk about ChatGPT these days.
Many sources insist that ChatGPT is an app or tool ... and yes it obviously is.
but there is a ChatGPT website too.
Just now I saw this:

"ChatGPT can’t access the internet [snip]

Correct, but it is not difficult to add an interface so it can. You don't need to do this yourself, there are multiple tools that do it. The most popular is surely the GPT-4 enhanced version of Bing

Ask it questions and it will give answers with a short list of (hopefully) reputable sources it has used. Eg, for a trivial example:

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

AI's in its very-VERY beginnings. and quant analysis is gonna be a dooperwowie. utilities. energy. medicine. just name it. IT. banking. me dn here at the bottom ?...i wont see it as much as how its gonna change those at the top. zinga yee !...imo. its gonna zolt efficiency like no one ever thought. bot like kismets gonna look sooo dum if u compare it today w/ tomorrow lol.

cant wait !!

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

Hi LUKEY !!...may ur never-ever run outta catnip lol !