Chess will never be solved, here's why

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Elroch

@Optimissed, @llama_l has good understanding. See https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/chess-will-never-be-solved-heres-why?page=627

where he addresses some ways you and @tygxc go wrong. (Specifically, he addresses your confusion about mathematical induction).

Note that he has on occasion used irony. This may have gone over your head.

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

Only your last comment, which was obviously based on desperation. Deleting those pictures; well, you shouldn't have posted them in the first place because they were offensive. Dio took them as a cue to start trolling and he made many off-topic attempted attacks. I realised I'd seen it before and then your mistake was to delete the pictures. I knew then that I was right, not about the bogus Theorem but about you.

Still daft. I don't even know what images you are talking about. I certainly need no prompting or cues...you provide those yourself when you hopelessly mangle logic and science and/or insult everyone around you...and I far from the only person that sees your antics for what they are.

BigChessplayer665
Optimissed wrote:

None of his comments have been about my comments. I'm not saying he hasn't got a good understanding. I've been focussed on showing that you made conflicting claims at various points in your arguments, which you most certainly did and now all you want to do is to cover it up. In your own threads you flood them with trolls who back you up. This is no different except you can't block people for dishonest reasons. So unfortunately for you, one good poster who is more than your equal showed your arguments for what they are.

Conspiracy theories ...I like it !

BigChessplayer665
Optimissed wrote:
DiogenesDue wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Elroch wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

I haven't read your comment, any of it

Finally, you reveal a reason why your replies make no sense!

Only your last comment, which was obviously based on desperation. Deleting those pictures; well, you shouldn't have posted them in the first place because they were offensive. Dio took them as a cue to start trolling and he made many off-topic attempted attacks. I realised I'd seen it before and then your mistake was to delete the pictures. I knew then that I was right, not about the bogus Theorem but about you.

Still daft. I don't even know what images you are talking about. I certainly need no prompting or cues...you provide those yourself when you hopelessly mangle logic and science and/or insult everyone around you...and I far from the only person that sees your antics for what they are.

Do you think anyone is going to believe you?

You know I got the "nobody believes you speech before about me cheating " even though I was innocent

Sounds like denial at this point

Elroch
Optimissed wrote:
Elroch wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

I haven't read your comment, any of it

Finally, you reveal a reason why your replies make no sense!

Only your last comment, which was obviously based on desperation. Deleting those pictures [snip]

For clarity, I have not deleted any pictures.

Do tell us about the imaginary pictures in your head!

BigChessplayer665
Optimissed wrote:

Sounds like trolling at this point. Do you get a free box of chocolates or a toy?

Conveniently examples are now trolls !

Better make an example out of...

BigChessplayer665
Optimissed wrote:

They are still visible to moderators.

The fact you're making an issue of denying it proves your guilt. They are your coded messages. I've seen you do it before.

Huh your denying stuff to think before you speak

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

Do you think anyone is going to believe you? Your trolling started straight after the images were posted and then he deleted the images. A person who claims to be as observant as you do cannot possibly have missed them. You're just dropping yourself further and further in it. A moderator can find the images.

Your confirmation bias is showing again. You really do have bats in your belfry...what were these images exactly? Would anyone else who is sane like to explain this newly hatched nonsense?

Elroch
Optimissed wrote:
Elroch wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Elroch wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

I haven't read your comment, any of it

Finally, you reveal a reason why your replies make no sense!

Only your last comment, which was obviously based on desperation. Deleting those pictures

There were some imaginary pictures in your head? Do describe them for the rest of us.

You're denying you posted them?
I think I have enough to report you now.

Of course you do. Be my guest!

Elroch
Optimissed wrote:

None of his comments have been about my comments.

For example post #12521 quoted and reinforced my helpful post to you explaining the difference between mathematical induction (a method of rigorous deduction) and inductive reasoning (which is always uncertain).

You could learn from his words, where he gives a simple illustrative example.

[Silly me, of course you couldn't, your psychological barriers are way too high].

tygxc

@12545

"solving checkers took 18 years and over a thousand CPU years"
++ No. The majority of that was for creating Chinook and the endgame table base.
The actual solving took 2 years and 50 CPU, i.e. 100 CPU years.

tygxc

@12548

"a major misunderstanding of what mathematics is"
++ Goldbach, Fermat, Riemann, Mersenne, Ramanujan are famous mathematicians for what they conjectured, not for what they proved and certainly not for proofs they criticized.
Besides many proofs were at first faulty and had to be corrected, e.g. the Four color theorem

tygxc

@12542

"do anything to win an argument"
++ I do not want to win arguments, if I want to win, then I play chess. I am only after the truth.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

should be judged using asic's. cpu's are y-day for this right ?

tygxc

@12540

"I doubt humans can add anything today."
++ You should really play ICCF and see for yourself.

Here are some statements by the late ICCF GM Dronov, 3 times ICCF World Champion in a 2010 Interview:

'in a few years they will argue that after 1.e4 it is possible to make a draw'
'I always play to win'
'Why, in your opinion, do you manage to show outstanding tournament results, gaining a big plus in strong competitions?' 'General chess culture.'

Elroch

Deleting imaginary pictures is indeed my masterstroke. But I can do more.

I will now make a brontosaurus disappear.

GONE!

Amazing, huh? Not a sign of it anywhere.

tygxc

@12589

"Elroch will do anything to win an argument."
++ He just makes a fool of himself claiming 1 a4 or 1 e4 e5 2 Ba6 win for white.

Elroch
tygxc wrote:

@12589

"Elroch will do anything to win an argument."
++ He just makes a fool of himself claiming 1 a4 or 1 e4 e5 2 Ba6 win for white.

Misrepresentation. No post of mine has claimed this.

Did you post an untruth because you are dishonest or because you are incompetent?

Elroch
Optimissed wrote:
Elroch wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

None of his comments have been about my comments.

For example post #12521 quoted and reinforced my helpful post to you explaining the difference between mathematical induction (a method of rigorous deduction) and inductive reasoning (which is always uncertain).

You could learn from his words, where he gives a simple illustrative example.

[Silly me, of course you couldn't, your psychological barriers are way too high].

I have explained why it was not mathematical induction. You cannot map a crumpet to a falcon. That post. There is no possibility that mathematical induction could be used to prove what you wish to be proven to help your case. It was philosophical induction. If you don't understand, you are just not very bright. Oh I forgot. You may seem very bright to some but unfortunately ..........

Zermelo's theorem is proved using mathematical induction. You can check with literally any mathematically competent person (a passing undergraduate would do, or a bright high schooler) if you are unable to understand the proof yourself.

Here is an example proof again. (The MIT server is a bit slow to download from but it gets there. For convenience, here is the proof:
)

tygxc

@12593

"No post of mine has claimed this."
++ I claim 1 a4 cannot be better than 1 e4 and 1 e4 e5 2 Ba6? loses for white.
You vehemently denied this several times, thus claimed the opposite.