Chess will never be solved, here's why

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playerafar
Optimissed wrote:
Alexeivich94 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

I don't think he's a very intelligent mathematican though. Anyone intelligent would be able to argue over things without getting personal but he's been incapable of it as long as I've known him, which is around 14 years.

Maybe it's just a bad temper

It used to be much worse than it is now. He used to go completely crazy in arguments, 10 years or more ago. Now he blocks everyone who argues with him from his threads. That means he can't argue with and insult anyone in his threads and he gets bored. So recently he's left his threads and ventured out, bringing his flock of trolls with him for protection.

I noticed he was insulting tygxc here, not just once but repeatedly. I can out-argue Elroch any time so I joined in. ty doesn't try to protect himself and as a result ppl think he's dim.

Optimissed never out-argues Elroch. Or anybody.
As usual Optimissed is lying again.
Optimissed trolls.

playerafar
mpaetz wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

I am good at debating. That means I can debate on subjects I don't fully understand provided they aren't described in opaque jargon which needs an interpreter.

Those of us who have read your posts on chess.com for years realize that you will endlessly "debate" about subjects you don't understand. However, inaccurate information, pointless diversions, paranoid conspiracy theories, repeated groundless boasting about your (and your family's) unparalleled intelligence, and personal insults toward those with opposing opinions aren't commonly considered to be traits a of good debater.

Feel free to reply with whatever condescending insults you wish.

PS--You do contribute positively sometimes and many times I agree with your conclusions, but the doubling (and tripling, and octupling) down on every unreasonable supposition is wearisome.

Even when he gets something right Optimissed finds a way to mess that up too.

Elroch

I think everyone is capable of improvement.

But some choose not to. And some don't agree with what improvement is.

[That first one includes me].

DiogenesDue
Doves-creek wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCyZ_y8wJiw so you're calling trump a ''commuter with a lowbrow sense of humor'' ?

Minus "commuter"...

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

I'm busy, a bit bored with working, my wife seems to be busy with something and you're one of those people who accuses his poor victims of being what you are, so reading what you're saying about yourself is funny.

I know you're feeling insecure and all that. I know your "ego is suffering". Never mind, you can't win them all. Just keep trying.

Lol. You can't even come with arguments of your own. Your brain constantly feeds you a diet of things it remembers other people saying...

Elroch
DiogenesDue wrote:
Doves-creek wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCyZ_y8wJiw so you're calling trump a ''commuter with a lowbrow sense of humor'' ?

Minus "commuter"...

Minus the sense of humour.

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:
Doves-creek wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCyZ_y8wJiw so you're calling trump a ''commuter with a lowbrow sense of humor'' ?

I quite like him. He's amusing and fairly clever but a bit weird for a President maybe?? I think he'll get it. Such is the USA.

I'll bet you're big Farage fan, as well.

DiogenesDue
Doves-creek wrote:

nope, lol

You can read Optimissed's mind? Amazing.

MEGACHE3SE
Optimissed wrote:

About 16 years ago, I had the reputation of being the best debater in the English Language on Facebook. Not sure how many people were on facebook back then. Several millions?

At this point i dont think it's possible to caricature optimissed. LOL

BigChessplayer665
Optimissed wrote:

Pleased to hear it I'm sure.

There would be no point in making up things to tell to no account people like Dio. He isn't capable of contributing much "fun" but what little can be gleaned from his direction and from any others like him can come from telling them TRUE things in response to their paranoic comments and watching their contortions.

So there would be no amusement if I were just inventing stuff. Of course, he and others like him are so dull that they don't understand what's going on. It would be normal to ignore such people if they weren't weaponised as someone's pet trolls. I hope for their sake no-one is inhabiting the same living space as he is but I can't see it.

Your right there is no point in making up things

But what are you doing in this post exactly 🤔

Elroch

And there's the problem with TLAs

happydogtuffy

how so much commenting????

MEGACHE3SE

literally lying about a known mathematical proof isnt "demonstrating" anything optimissed LOL.

To quote Optimissed:

"About 16 years ago, I had the reputation of being the best debater in the English Language on Facebook. Not sure how many people were on facebook back then. Several millions?"

And Yet, optimissed cannot point to a single post on this forum, of a person who has spent longer than a day on this forum that supports him or has been permanently convinced by an argument that optimissed makes.

A good debater is not someone with an impossibly stubborn mind. A debater is someone who convinces others, be it opposition or neutral parties.

Optimissed cannot name a single instance where he has done such a thing (making up fantasies about what's going on in people's heads doesnt count). And as he's said, hes been on the forum longer than most.

By the definition of a debater's goal, he is the single worst debater on this forum.

Even tygxc can temporarily convince others of his fantasy.

playerafar

MEGA neither one of them intends to be convincing.
Its like they both want to be embarassed.
tygxc's actions lead directly to his illogic being constantly refuted while he continues to pretend it isn't.
Optimissed's falsehoods are constantly exposed.
Their 'defenses' are different.
tygxc pretends that those refuting his illogic 'don't understand' or 'are trolls' but almost never with naming anybody.
MEGA - tygxc's reason for complaining about the coin flip disucssion had little to do with that subject.
He objected because you were in that discussion.
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O's 'defenses' are different. As he continues to be exposed he will just continue to talk about those exposing him.
His other pseudo-defense is to repeatedly bring up IQ scores and the like.
He never has a real defense although sometimes attempts phony excuses.
And since he's fragile and delicate then being blocked infuriates him.
He tries to 'retaliate'. Year in year out.
Not realizing year in year out that his 'attacks' are pathetic.
He wrongly imagines that others are as fragile as he is.
(from the DSM manual 'delusions if present are transient and not well organized')
Whereas tygxc's delusions seem to be slightly more intricate and particular.
And although also cyclical - better 'organized'.

tygxc

@14022

"why doesn't the engine know its a draw?"
++ That is another reason why the human is necessary in addition to the computers.
Sveshnikov asked first for good assistants and only then for modern computers to weakly solve chess in 5 years.

tygxc

@14017

"Chess is essentially a math problem and most math problems are solved through proofs, not through brute force."
++ Allis weakly solved Connect Four with a set of 9 strategic rules.

tygxc

@14015

"The method for solving in one pass is undefined."
++ Strongly solving is not in 1 pass, it is from 7 men to 8 men, then to 9, to 10... to 32.

tygxc

@13981

"There are certainly a huge number of positions that cannot be reached in 40 moves"
++ Yes, but then the non transposing branching factor is only 2, or even 1: forced move.
10^38 = 3^80 = 2^126
It is the pigeonhole principle: there are no more chess positions than there are chess positions.

"optimal play can be MUCH slower than co-operative play" ++ No, random play is slower than optimal play. For example the longest possible chess game of 8848.5 moves involves hopping around with knights for 49.5 moves, moving a pawn 1 square, hopping around, moving a pawn 1 square or capturing a nonpawn, hopping around...

"need to evaluate long lines where one person is trying to win and the other is trying to stop them winning" ++ That is exactly what they do in ICCF.
This is the longest game in the ongoing ICCF WC Finals: 73 moves, ending in a 3-fold repetition
https://www.iccf.com/game?id=1360139

This is the longest game in a human classical world championship match: 136 moves.
In ICCF this would have ended in a 7-men endgame table base draw on move 115.
White won the actual game after a black error due to fatigue and time trouble.

qualcuno6800654

Optimissed what do you think of draws?

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

Pleased to hear it I'm sure.

There would be no point in making up things to tell to no account people like the mind reader. He isn't capable of contributing much "fun" but what little can be gleaned from his direction and from any others like him can come from telling them TRUE things in response to their paranoic comments and watching their contortions.

So there would be no amusement if I were just inventing stuff. Of course, he and others like him are so dull that they don't understand what's going on. It would be normal to ignore such people if they weren't weaponised as someone's pet trolls. I hope for their sake no-one is inhabiting the same living space as he is but I can't see it.

You just make up any old fantasy you want to when you can't handle somebody. It's a little sad.